Post-match: So what is next for the Democratic Party? (Post 2024)

And how's that working out for them?

 

I got this in my messages today, I’m trying to find more info on it. Has anyone else seen this. Or what thoughts do you guys have.

https://www.mobilize.us/electionres..._context=event_details&share_medium=copy_link

 

Apparently, Republicans also tried out a new data based tactic this year and outsourced their ground game to a PAC funded by Elon Musk. https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/04/politics/trump-campaign-ground-game/index.html Some podcasts already note that this freed Trump to focus on his base and increase turnout while relying on the PAC to court independents and Democrats. I'm sure that Musk's reams of localized data on opinions and engagement helped tremendously.

As I noted previously, Trump's platform can play two ways. You can give it an ultra-conservative and racist spin or you can give it a pro-jobs spin. I'm pretty sure that this was by design.

For his part Sanders tweeted a scathing review of the Democrat strategy claiming that they abandoned their blue-collar base. Apparently, a lot of Sanders votes flipped to Trump. From what I am understanding the Democrat had a strategy of courting centrist Republicans over keeping their base https://apnews.com/article/harris-t...sing-message-9b37850eec2c8181213fbe4980dcd79e IMO, she tried to cover too many points and her message lost cohesion.

 

Not this, but some of my FB friends have received something similar.

 

Sounds like something I’d be interested in. I may listen to their first pitch and find what sort of plans they have.

One idea they’re thinking of to source out a candidate to lead the party.
Remembering that it’s a personality contest. Looks, ideas and political know how. Drumpf managed to align the lowest portion of the population behind him. We don’t need another old man and it’s proven that this country is not ready for a smart woman. Too many macho knuckle draggers. We don’t want no woman tellin us what to do.

Who does that leave us with. ?!

 

I like Buttigieg. Executive and now Cabinet experience. Sharp as a tack, confronts (and crushes) without combatting, doesn't break a sweat sitting in the lion's den. Not condescending.

There's the...lifestyle thing, so he may be too coastal e-leet.

The Dems still have a woeful lack of sub-Boomer bench strength at the national level. Pelosi stepping down was wise and strategic but how much growth time for others has still been lost. That right there is probably something to work on this next little while.

 

Buttigieg has absolutely ZERO chance. If people aren't ready for a smart woman, they certainly aren't going to go for a gay guy. No way in hell is that going to happen. There's simply no point even suggesting it.

 

/returns to his coastal elite hideaway

 

I was about to echo sounders. Pete is a well qualified as Kamala.
WOW just as I was going to post my guy to be groomed as the next man for us I get a message from him. Seriously!!
Me and Gavin.

Hey Kenneth. Gavin Newsom here. I know many of you are sad and even angry about this week's election results. I get it. I am too.

I also know many are wondering what happens next. If that's you, I'd invite you to join me on a Zoom call tomorrow night about what we're doing in California to prepare for a second Trump term and where we go from here. Stop to end.

I hope you'll join. Just sign-up here to say you're interested and we'll send more information soon.

- Gavin

https://gavinnewsom.win/b3-final

 

Democrats under Biden have done a lot of good things for blue-collar workers: being very pro-union, CHIPS act + IRA + infrastructure act pouring billions of subsidies to build factories and create manufacturing jobs. All meant for nothing.

If I have to guess, most blue collar workers still think that immigrants stealing their jobs and global trade shutting down their factories are the real threat to their livelihood. Hence, "mass deportation + tariffs" work like a charm to them.

How do you respond to that?

 

Not even a regular gay guy?

Wait a sec, does having children exclude you from being a regular gay guy, or include you?

 

No need to complicate this. Just get a straight, young-ish white man, preferably with military background, who has the appearance of a blue collar worker.

Ask Fetterman and Mark Kelly to run in 2028

 

In the right-wing mindset, that makes you a pedophile.

 

Don't disagree.

So here's the thing: whatever is next for the Dems, it has to include a way to get off the back foot when it comes to the short-hand dog whistles and crap that the ReTrumplicans lazily fall back on (and have been allowed to fall back on). Like the bully who keeps saying you owe them your lunch money, it stops when somebody pops them in the teeth. Maybe a couple somebodies.

In my view part of why they own the info space is that they are shameless in fabricating facts and conclusions, and overall we are playing too much by the Marquess of Queensbury Rules to say bullshit and call them out, since it wouldn't be seemly to treat them as acting in bad faith.

 

Fetterman doesn't have strong enough communication skills. Unfortunately.

 

Kind of a one-trick pony too. Two if you count legal weed.

 

And Trump’s repertoire is expansive?

 

FDR didn't have dictatorial powers...he was an effective politician who used socialism to keep capitalism alive and the people loved him for bringing them out of the Depression.

Everyone was worried that someone else would be as popular with working class hence the amendment.

 

No not at all, Trump couldn't even say that word. Just saying, anybody who's Dem #1 or #2 will need more dimensions than Fetterman.

 

Worth reading ...

"Trump’s voters broke America and deserve to get what they’ve bought, economically, politically, and morally ... It’s our institutions that we need to save!” you might reply. My friend: If Americans cared a whit about their institutions, Tuesday wouldn’t have gone the way it did. Who are you saving those institutions for, exactly? The lesson of this election is that the American people aren’t worthy of their Constitution. Maybe they never were, but at the core of American exceptionalism is the belief that our nation is virtuous by design in a way others aren’t. Electing Trump once shook that belief; electing him twice has obliterated it."​

https://thedispatch.com/newsletter/boilingfrogs/you-broke-it-you-bought-it-2/

I am coming around to the "you broke it, you bought it" point of view. Don't resist. Don't throw up roadblocks. Just let the Trumpers fcuk around, because that's the only way people will find out. Yes, innocents will suffer. Hell, some will probably get killed. But there's no other way. America knowingly and willfully elected arsonists. Let them burn things. Because things need to burn before you can rebuild.

Meanwhile, build a new coalition that can and will pick up the pieces after everything burns.