Post-match: So what is next for the Democratic Party? (Post 2024)

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by ceezmad, Nov 6, 2024.

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Where does the party go after this?

  1. Does the party go right and try to find a new Bill Clinton

    71.4%
  2. Does the party go left to the Bernie Sanders wing

    28.6%
  1. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    The Latino assessors of both campaigns are doing the rounds in Spain and the fallout seems pretty clear. Democrats did not resonate as expected with women. Republicans won by making sure that they focused on the economy.

    In my opinion, a Clinton like focus on the economy would have won this election for the Democrats. Obama-era racial equality politics (Progress, Hope, Change) did not cut it this time around. Also, Obama's campaign had a fair amount of help from Biden who seemed to be able to resonate with blue-collar workers. Tim Walz was not able to do that at all for Harris.
     
  2. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    More confirmation. Starr county is essentially completely Latino and working class. Their voting has changed beyond all recognition in just 8 years.

     
  3. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    That has been my feeling for a while now.
     
  4. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Again, independent voters.

     
  5. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    I don't agree with everything Bret Stephens says in this piece (far from it), but he wrote something worth reading:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/06/opinion/donald-trump-defeat-democrats.html

    The regular web archiver cuts off the text. But you can read the whole thing here:

    https://pastequest.com/?348b87705fe28685#4gFvEF4fjqTcMgicpRsjqa6hW6UZ2QapPLKi5JjeBFWk

     
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  6. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
  7. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    I keyed in on this bit, I confess with more than a little "but, but..."

    Taking [idea] as self-evident and proceeding from that conceit is a flawed approach, tempting (and "right") though it may be seem. I've been guilty of that. I think that people and party, there needs to be a frank examination of base facts, root causes, and true statements. To help start conversations not for the salons of the coastal elites but for the barroom, the workplace, the front yard (or park).
     
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  8. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I have to admit that I'm a Latino and I don't even know what a Latino is. I tend to think of a Latino as someone from Latin America, an immigrant just like me.

    Actually, if we look at the demographics, 68 percent of people in the US who identify as Latinos were born in the US. Only 32 percent are immigrants like myself. And, I would think that if we are talking about Latinos who are eligible to vote, the percentage of native borns must be even higher.
     
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  9. MattR

    MattR Member+

    Jun 14, 2003
    Reston
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Keep your passport handy when the bubbas decide to start rounding immigrants up into camps.
     
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  10. The Devil's Architect

    Feb 10, 2000
    The American Steppe
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    We're never going to win a world cup now...
     
  11. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    And I don't even have an arsenal. Maybe I need to start working on that.
     
  12. gatotkaca3

    gatotkaca3 Member

    Oct 23, 2010
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    What I think from seeing the breakdown of voters: majority of american voters are only motivated by their fear/hatred of new immigrants and/or how much money in their pocket

    So tailor your messaging to focus on those two issues, and add abortion rights and weed legalization to differentiate them from the GOPs. Everything else is secondary

    For the democratic voters, if they really want to make sacrifices for the country, start moving in droves to the swing states, starting with PA, NC and GA
     
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  13. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

    May 2, 2001
    The Electric City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Basically, you compete in elections with the electorate you have, not the electorate you think you deserve.
     
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  14. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Goes for issues too. I'm pretty progressive and I think a lesson I'm working with is, don't try to shoot the moon all the damn time.
     
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  15. Kryptonite

    Kryptonite BS XXV

    Apr 10, 1999
    Columbus
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That.

    The "nominate a woman" didn't work in 2016 with a white woman. Why the hell did they think it'd work with a woman of color?
     
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  16. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    You meet voters as they are and where they are.

    Somehow Dems and liberals never really learn this lesson.
     
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  17. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    The whole Biden situation didn't give the party much choice did it ?
     
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  18. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    The original sin was Biden seeking a second term.
     
  19. gatotkaca3

    gatotkaca3 Member

    Oct 23, 2010
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    In hindsight perhaps the Dems could have afford to spend the whole month of August doing a nation-wide flash primaries to select the nominee. At least they would get the nominee that the people actually want, instead of somebody that was shoehorned.

    The primaries would have served as a marketing campaign for the eventual nominee as well, since it would have been covered in all major news media. So it's not like a lot of campaigning time would be lost.
     
  20. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This.

    I have a friend who came here from Ireland when he was nine years old and who wants to shut the door behind him to further immigration. Assuming that all immigrants are in favor of more immigrants is bad trap to fall into.
     
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  21. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You got to give the people what they want.
     
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  22. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
    da 'Burgh
    Right so the fix involves trying to step back from all the sanctimonious and getting real. It's a process.
     
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  23. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    I'm not sure the lack of a proper primary after Biden withdrew really was that big of a deal. But even so, was there any realistic way of organizing and conducting a nationwide primary process in such short notice? Were there any serious contenders that could have put together any sort of platform?
     
  24. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    Yup. Drop the lefty piousness. Appeal to people as they are.
     
  25. gatotkaca3

    gatotkaca3 Member

    Oct 23, 2010
    Club:
    Newcastle United FC
    Yeah, judging from last night's results, I don't think american voters are educated or care enough about platforms. It's all about vibes and slogans.

    On the logistics of conducting crash primaries, I don't know much about this to be frank. Maybe it is impossible. The next best choice is probably to let the 3900 delegates vote for it then while encouraging the big party names (not just Kamala, but also Newsome, Pete, Shapiro, etc.) to throw their hats into the ring
     
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