Post-match: So what is next for the Democratic Party? (Post 2024)

so this was a different Russ?

 

your honesty and perspective are refreshing, even if we might disagree on how we got here and what its going to take to resuscitate us.

 

Well, I fight the Woke and check out my phone
There's more Lib language I hate today
We're angry again, there's new terms on the screen
A-roundin' third and headed for home
It's a blue-eyed fascist man
Anyone can understand
How we need to make him feel

Oh, shut the F up Woke
I'm ready to scapegoat...today
Shut the F up Woke
I'm ready to scapegoat...today
Look at me, I can be, a Centrist tool

 

Republicans have found it to be very useful for swaying the electorate, precisely because intellectualism and a careful (scientific) read of the situation is not what's driving votes, apparently. So yes, appealing to potential new voters intellectually is probably not bringing us back to life. We have to put on the gloves and get in the ring...

...Newsom 2028!

Democrats are over here like "well, akshually..." while we're getting absolutely flattened.

 

Nothing. I'm pretty sure I've acknowledged that some of the woke ideals were well intended.

So yeah, my introduction to woke was disgruntled Bernie Bros who weren't going to support Hillary when it really, really (really) mattered, which set in motion Trump I and ultimately Trump II, then, seeing Democrats splinter again when it mattered even more...I'm a bit grumpy when it comes to our own house, admittedly.

Democrats can't hang together when it's critical and we're paying a dear price for it.

 

You are definitely still a Democrat because a Democrat will take one electoral loss and be convinced that it is the end. No long term vision. No vision more than 3 months in advance.

 

Hey NIC - check out original ANTIFA

 

To me it feels like this last electoral loss was the big one. The loss in 2015 was sickening but there were still a few speed bumps to slow the madman down...now he's full throttle barreling down the highway, taking out everything Democrats just spent the last 60 years fighting for...

...meanwhile Democrats are busy attacking our own and bleeding support.

 

Hi NIC.

You should educate yourself on far left antifa activism in this country. Two entirely different things.

 

2015 akshually and yes, that's who I'm referring to. Disgruntled Bernie Bros who were mad at the DNC for not nominating their guy.

 

Where do you stand on punching a Nazi, NIC? Worse than Woke language or about the same?

 

I Think I made my point.

I posted data showing that Democrats don’t do the thing he says they shouldn’t do. I figured that facts would either cause him to stop this junk, or I’d be certain he’s just trolling.

I promise I won’t revisit this.

 

this is barely even worth dignifying with a response, but yeah, NICD...

...punch any and all Nazi's, at every single opportunity.

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thanks man, best of luck with whatever demons you're fighting over there.

 

As a purveyor of Wingnut media, you've certainly heard of virtue signaling. But what about vice signaling?

Financial Times editor Robert Shrimsley suggested the term vice signalling as a counterpoint to virtue signalling:

A vice-signaller boasts about sneaking meat into a vegetarian meal. He will rush on to social media to denounce as a 'snowflake' any woman who objects to receiving rape threats, or any minority unhappy at a racist joke...Vice-signallers have understood that there is money to be made in the outrage economy by playing the villain. Perhaps, secretly, they buy their clothes at the zero-waste shop and help out at the local food bank, but cannot be caught doing so lest their image is destroyed.

Stephen Bush, also in the Financial Times, describes vice signalling as "ostentatious displays of authoritarianism designed to reassure voters that you are “tough” on crime or immigration", and that it "risks sending what is, in a democracy, the most dangerous signal of all: that politicians do not really care about their electorate’s concerns, other than as a device to win and to hold on to their own power". In particular, Bush cited Donald Trump's Mexican border wall pledge and Boris Johnson's Rwanda asylum plan.

Examples of vice signalling have been described as "show[ing] you are tough, hard-headed, a dealer in uncomfortable truths, and, above all, that you live in 'the real world'", in a way that goes beyond what actual pragmatism requires, or to "a public display of immorality, intended to create a community based on cruelty and disregard for others, which is proud of it at the same time".

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtue_signalling#Vice_signalling

 

This, 100%.

WokeMonitor isn't interested in discussing how to protect and advance Democrat policies, he's on his own personal crusade against some vaguely defined problem that is not even rooted in reality. And he seems incapable of moving beyond his perceived pet peeve.

Worst of all, this shit keeps happening over and over again on what seems to be every f*cking thread on this site.

 

I literally watch/listen to/care about zero/none/nada "Wingnut media", so when you start off with a nonsense statement, anything beyond that becomes a TL;DR non sequitur.

please try harder

 

its quite literally only one thread where we're discussing woke. this one.