Post-match: So what is next for the Democratic Party? (Post 2024)

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by ceezmad, Nov 6, 2024.

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Where does the party go after this?

  1. Does the party go right and try to find a new Bill Clinton

    71.4%
  2. Does the party go left to the Bernie Sanders wing

    28.6%
  1. Pittsburgh Ref

    Pittsburgh Ref Member+

    Oct 7, 2014
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    Pondering whether a more muscular Tim Walz might have helped bridge the gap between the chardonnay set and the folks working hourly. It's for sure he didn't really rise to the level of a bucket of warm spit in this campaign. Others have said that not picking Shapiro was a death knell, but for my money he was not going to be content as the junior partner in that merger, plus the pro-Israel thing (perceived or actual, that was a big part of the narrative).

    All this to say, I don't think a geographic alliance is all it's cracked up to be when picking a Veep, but next time whoever gets picked should be someone ready willing and able to wash half the dishes and all the bathrooms. Eyeliner optional.
     
  2. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    Opening Arguments 1085 did their first of several podcasts that cover things Biden can do until Jan 2025 without too much of a fuss, assuming he has the will to do it.

    Work with the Senate to fill all judge positions. All of them. Late nights, weekends, whatever.

    Instruct immigration attorneys to dismiss all cases in court for those who don't have a criminal record.

    Pardon all federal staff who worked Trump's trials as a prophylaxis.

    Mass pardon all undocumented immigrants without a violent criminal offense (and drug offense?).

    Give all those on federal death row a commutation to life.

    Declare national parks to slow down future drilling.

    If he hasn't already, get the process going on changing the schedule for Mary j.

    And there are some more. Nice ideas but not holding my breath Joe would do any of it, sadly.
     
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  3. Smurfquake

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    I get this kind of Tim Kaine feeling. With a woman at the top of the ticket, you can't pick a VP who is too strong, personality-wise. Kaine - Hillary's VP candidate - got the same kind of "America's uncle" jokes that Walz got. And both Kaine and Walz have a stench of failure and no national presence after their ticket lost. I guess Kaine is still in the Senate but I haven't heard anything from him since 2016.

    With that said, Minnesota stayed blue, unlike Wisconsin and Michigan, so maybe Walz made a difference there.
     
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  4. Pittsburgh Ref

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    Funny, Kaine was on SNL recently and the gag was that a game show contestant couldn't name him.
     
  5. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    George Clooney was the obvious choice in our star-obsessed culture
     
  6. Pittsburgh Ref

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    Maybe next time we take the Hollywood set for granted and do more work in the trenches. Barbecues instead of Beyoncé.
     
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  7. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    Kaine just got re-elected. Also, he's been dealing with long COVID for a few years from what I've heard.
     
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  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    This Pitchbot dude just doesn't get it! AAARGH! :mad:

     
  9. celito

    celito Moderator
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    AOC isn't exactly my cup of tea, but she did something smart. Asked her followers if they had voted for her or Democratic down the ballot but also for Trump, to tell her the reason.

    A few different answers (Gaza, War, etc .. ) but the most common was they both care about the worker, are from outside of the establishment, and both feel real (and not fake). I think all 3 sort fall in the same category. One said Kamala cared more about "rights" than the economy which I am guessing falls under identity politics. I did see an exit poll forget where that said 25% of voters felt that way. Take it for what its worth.

    https://www.tiktok.com/@aoc/video/7436061115609582879?q=aoc&t=1731470229930
     
  10. ceezmad

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    Yes, many working class trust Trump more than the Democrats.

    A thread about a CNN story about the AOC Tok Tok

    https://www.threads.net/@cnn/post/DCSV5YzsiaF?xmt=AQGzNA0KmCllG8IDhDXzJgBsEr_CCPGTYlf99eNKy5WDIw
     
  11. bigredfutbol

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    He's still relatively popular here in Virginia. Won re-election by over 8%--he out-performed Harris.
     
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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Rogan fans are nearly all men. I don't understand why people think she'd make inroads among Rogan fans who mostly worship Cheeto. She could've gone on Infowars too I guess. :thumbsdown:

    Latinos were the big miss. And ones with papers don't like the ones that don't have them because they think it reflects poorly on themselves. A lot of psychology going on that TrumpCo & Republicans are good at. "Going high" only worked for Obama.
     
  14. Knave

    Knave Member+

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    Seems to me she got "cancelled" anyway ...

    I'm liberal as fcuk, but lefties are political morons.

    I've been saying it over and over and over in this thread: but this kind of thinking will only continue Dem losses. You're not going on the show to win them all over. You're going on the show to improve your margins. I said it before, I'll say it again: improve by 5% with a few key groups, and Harris would have won.
     
  15. Pittsburgh Ref

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    First two agenda items for the next Dem candidate for president:
    1) Don't ignore Wisconsin, i.e. any "safe" state
    2) Do go out of your way to leave no demographic unaddressed

    Million votes here, million votes there, pretty soon you're talking about a lot of butt-hurt Repubs
     
  16. celito

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    I thought about this theory but wasn't gonna float it. Sad that a candidate is afraid about part of her electorate being so offended had she gone, that they wouldn't vote in protest. That says a lot.
     
  17. bigredfutbol

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    I'd wager it says more about the timid cautiousness which seems to be endemic to Democratic Party insiders than any actual likelihood of a backlash. But who knows.
     
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  18. Pittsburgh Ref

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    3) Don't play for a tie on the road
     
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  19. soccernutter

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    Where are you getting this? I ask as what I am hearing is that Latinos, apart from the evangelicals, voted like everybody else - on the economy: Prices being higher than they were in 2019, home prices being being unreachable, etc. The issue about the new immigrants, undocumented or not, is that they are (or could) taking the jobs of those already legally here. It is a lesson we should have learned from the Texas border in 2020.
     
  20. rslfanboy

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    He is married to a Colombian….

    I’ve seen it myself too, and we’ve discussed this cultural phenomenon in here before. It has been around a long time, so I don’t really think this attitude changed any voting behavior this cycle per se.

    I hear people holding democrats responsible for failings at the border but not the GOP. But there is no mention of how the GOP has scuttled the solution process since the 90s.
     
  21. soccernutter

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    And I was married to an Ecuadorian. So?

    This is the other part that Knave is getting at - old thinking. As I said, the people on the boarder in Texas in 2020 were worried about the new/undocumented immigrant taking jobs, not raping and murdering them. Okay, may some of the latter, but those here are worried about what those coming are going to take. And in the context of the current economy, that is a whole hell of a lot if they lose their job.

    Because the GOP are supposedly the party of law and order. And it is an easy sell when the ideals of the justice system are punitive and not restorative. Hell, here in blue CO, we voted for two more punitive justice issues (tougher sentences and more restrictive bail).
     
  22. Raumdeuter

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    The loss because of one thing. It was death by a thousand cuts like someone said. Going on Rogan everyday wont change it
     
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  23. deejay

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    Anyhoo, it's being said by multiple sources that the Republican strategy was to go to young, male low propensity voters through non-traditional media sources. Whatever Democrats decide to do it will need a counter to that strategy instead of leaving it wide open.
     
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  24. Kazuma

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    I saw something anecdotal about fear of being yelled at by a progressive think tank in the NY Times if they did something that wasn't "Progressive."

    Anyway, I do think a little hippie punching is needed, it helps, because a lot of them aren't exactly as attached to reality as conservatives are.
     
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  25. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

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    You're also going on the show to prove you're not a pussy and that you can hold your own in an unfriendly environment.
     
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