Post-match: So what is next for the Democratic Party? (Post 2024)

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Where does the party go after this?

  1. Does the party go right and try to find a new Bill Clinton

    56.3%
  2. Does the party go left to the Bernie Sanders wing

    43.8%
  1. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Y'all taking ceeztarrio seriously?
     
  2. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    Dude, this is a strawman argument. First, not being proud of the country, its current government, image and policies has nothing to do with "hating" the country.
    Second, I am not even following you on the "bad policy" becoming popular. Can you give examples of "bad policies that could become popular"?
     
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  3. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Yeah, but cheez does and his POV is just as relevant!

    One day he will realize, based on every poll that I've seen in the Trump Error, is that roughly 33% of America is in a cult. Standard political takes and who stands for what have gone out the window the last 10 years. The presidential election comes down to a handful of states and drilling down, a few dozen districts. In 2024 trans hate played a big factor (hello, Latino males). If you told someone in 2008 that it would be a factor in an election they'd say "WTF?" then they'd say "ohhh...Republicans are making a big deal out of it, aren't they?"
     
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  4. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Geez...I just read the last 3 pages. :confused: Anyone even remotely defending the current administration needs to start paying attention! :cry:
     
  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    That's easy. Because it's where I and my family live.
    If it's a democracy a country is as good as the people in it and, as most people are decent, most democracies will be decent as well. That includes America and most western democracies.

    However, if they get hoodwinked by charlatans and conmen they can elect them and those individuals will make the country act badly.

    That's the situation with the states atm.

    So while the country, (by which we usually mean it's people), may be essentially good, it's leadership can be bad or even evil.

    The British left-wing politician, Tony Benn, always said that people didn't seem to understand the essential nature of democracy. He said it's greatest strength was in it's destructive power. If you don't like what the leaders are doing, you can kick them out.

    Whether that's a realistic possibility now in the states remains to be seen.
     
  6. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    The "question" is pretty meaningless. Only children deal in absolutes.

    But if you were a 5 year old asking innocently, I'd say that the US is good for some people, bad for a different set of people and pretty much average for the rest when compared to other developed countries, and all the "exceptionalism" talk is just a fantasy and you should try to use your judgement and not just let other people define what you should think.
     
  7. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

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    And the Sith...
     
  8. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    "We don't defend, per se. He is incompetent and Kamala would've been a much more traditional president. Not sure about her drone policy or stance on Gaza and Israel, tho...Anyway, we bothsides things and say don't look down on those poor, innocent MAGAts"

    - P&CE ICs
     
  9. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    "Use the ignore list" That's a dangerous idea. People can assault your character behind your back, and if no one quites them, you never know. I wouldn't advise anyone to use it at all.
     
  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    I'm not an IL guy. Let their freedumbs flow is my motto.
     
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  11. song219

    song219 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 5, 2004
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    An idiot trying to assault your character is shooting with blanks.
     
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  12. roby

    roby Member+

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    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    I can be a salty character on occasion! :whistling:
     
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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Wasn't Kamala gonna use rattlesnakes? And alligator-surrounded detention camps seem to be polling well.

    Screenshot_20250706_212057_Bluesky.jpg
     
  14. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    Add ten years to that child's age and I'd also tell him or her that there's a combo of reasons folks enlist, and defense of country is only one.

    Part of the answer IMO lies in who enlists in the military immediately after high school with/without (insert other options here____________) as available and doable options on the table. They don't do it for free, nor should they. If it's their best financial option, even longterm, it is. If the goal is to use the vet status to go back to school for less money, that plays a role. My guess is that most servicepeople enlist and are discharged without ever engaging in combat. If you're not in combat, it's not quite the same kind of job. There's footage out there of reserve service members crying in disbelief when they got called up, literally saying they didn't expect that to happen. You know right there those folks didn't sign up with fire in their eyes and visions of eagles in their heads.

    How young does a poster have to be not to think of stuff like that on his own and not ask such a vapid question?
     
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  15. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    Jul 16, 2017


    I know Tom looks nothing like the written character but I really like his portrayal and think the attitude is spot on.

    That said....4 reasons people join the military. I've met an example of each.
     
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  16. roby

    roby Member+

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    Feb 27, 2005
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    As one who joined after 3 unremarkable yrs in HS I just couldn't see myself spending my life working in a factory wrapping packages. After Boot Camp sent 6 Mos in Va school where I learned how to fix things. 25 yrs later I was a Sr Tech Specialist for lg Co. Of course later I somehow became an Field Engineer/Surveyor! o_O
     
  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I just canceled Paramount so I’m checking out all the interesting movies there. Watched 2/3 of Jack Reacher last week.

    Maybe I’m a heretic but I think the TV show is better. The movie was too predictable for my taste.
     
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  18. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Sometimes! :p
     
  19. ShayG

    ShayG Member+

    Celtic
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    Aug 9, 2021
    Having Cruise play a character who’s described as 6’ 5” at the start of every book was quite literally a bit of a stretch. But he really nails the character.

    I like Alan Ritchson in the TV show, and obviously he matches up height-wise. But his physicality becomes a challenge for the plot as it dominates who he is as a character, losing most of Reacher’s cleverness and ability to outthink the opposition.
     
  20. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    I heard they invented Private Last Class for you :whistling:
     
  21. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    As one who was a noncom I got to play a few roles. The highest uniform I ever wore was topped with a gold leaf! :ninja:
     
  22. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    After the first couple of episodes of the first season of the TV show, it's purpose was to have violence. No other reason.
     
  23. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    I also liked Ritchson's work with Fitzgerald (Roscoe) in season one, and to a lesser extent, Goodwin (Finlay). Everything else just seemed forced.
     
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  24. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
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    United States
    The NEA has voted t9 cut ties with the Anti Defamation League.

    The coalition is changing.
     
  25. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Tottenham Hotspur FC
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    Ya know, linking an article would be helpful. Because the NEA means to me, in this context, National Endowment of the Arts.

    https://www.axios.com/2025/07/08/gaza-war-adl-teachers-union-nea-vote

    Members of the National Education Association (NEA), the nation's largest teachers' union, have voted to sever ties with the civil rights group Anti-Defamation League (ADL) over the war in Gaza.
     
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