So we are good now with not being in Conmebol now, right?

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Better competition = better results on the field for the US at the WC plus I get to watch videos of morons storming stadium gates manned by $12/hr rent a cops from the comfort of my sofa. Win win

Amazon destroyed the Black Friday fight video ritual, at least let us have this

 

The World Cup is a FIFA event.
It'll be fine. Just like its been fine.

Different level of organization.

CONMEBOL is an incompetent mess organizationally.
It should surprise nobody that they didn't put enough thought into security and gameday logistics at the stadia.

Competitions organized by SUM (such as the 2016 Copa America) have been fine in North America. Were there security problems at the Argentina/Chile final in 2016? No.

SUM made a big boatload of cash in 2016. CONMEBOL wanted that for themselves. It's called greed.
Its what they're best at.

 

Hard Rock is pointing the blame right back at CONMEBOL, but I’m sure we’ll continue to get more reporting on this.

Copa América blame game continues. Hard Rock Stadium says it “implemented, and in many ways exceeded” CONMEBOL security recommendations. https://t.co/C96RonVZwR

— Jeff Carlisle (@JeffreyCarlisle) July 16, 2024

 

I think this is just an excuse. The Copa America Centenario hosted by the US (the one SUM/USSF organized) in 2016 didn't have nearly the same problems. It's because commebol leadership are clowns who poorly prepared, not the inability of these venues to handle a south american soccer crowd and enforce security

 

Learn from this mess and make a decent World Cup. The US/MEX/CAN bid team will be responsible for the 2026 World Cup not FIFA. With a large migrant population, the US games will be very different from anything seen in local and regional soccer games.


Tailgate culture combined with soccer rivalry is a terrible combination. Don’t make the Qatar World Cup look like a sensible success in comparison.

 

I don't remember a Copa America hosted by SA countries having so many recurring problems.

The Brasil vs Argentina WCQ game had troubles in the stands. But it was dealt with and the game was played.

 

Okay admittedly that was my lazy answer to call them clowns. I'm sure in this instance it was because they hadn't organized in the US before and there were probably some issues with the logistics and coordination and getting proper security set up and all that. Which is probably not the case down there because they have experience organizing down there and know what to expect, who to coordinate with, etc to ensure everything runs relatively smoothly.

 

They did have to move a Libertadores final to Madrid a couple of years ago.

 

They had no place organizing a Copa America in the USA. They should have either partner with C'CAF or used a local organization like SUM.

 

Not sure if this matters, but a lot of standard CA finals have a true home crowd. It would take an exceeding crazy or brave Peruvian to storm the Maracanã for a Brazil-Peru final, right? I can't imagine that happening in large numbers.

Beyond that, I hate to say it because I like their team and Colombians in general, but it sure seems like Colombia is a common thread in most of the problems this time. The US and in particular Miami has a huge Colombian-American population. Are there large numbers of Colombians trying to get in a game without a ticket in Rio, Santiago, or Buenos Aires? 2001 was the only time they've ever hosted a CA so there's not much comparison to their home games.

 

That was a good call, No SA country could have hosted a Boca vs River in a Libertadores final after the attack on Boca team Bus.

 

From what I saw, Canada is actually better than us right now. Oh yeah. Panama too.

 

Also there's a big socioeconomic difference between local migrant fans and tourist fans. Most Latin American countries have enough elite/middle class who can afford both travel and tickets every so often for major tournaments. That's a lot different than thousands of locally-resident fans in Miami, likely largely working class, wandering around outside the stadium without a ticket.

 

At the Brazil World Cup, we had a rush from Chilean fans, Colombians aren’t known to be unruly.

I believe this was a historic run by an in-form Colombian team, with chances to win a Copa for the first time since 2001, against World Champions Argentina with Messi and a huge migrant Colombian population, plus the quasi-religious fervor Messi drives in Argentinians. Two fanatical groups of fans doing everything they could to go or be near the final.

If the USMNT were playing Messi’s Argentina with a good chance of winning a competition, how much would you be willing to pay to watch it live?

 

Yeah honestly, I think the main reason we saw issues in Miami at only this one match was just bad luck, the confluence of circumstances you mentioned (possibly Messi’s last big Arg game at the height of Messi-mania in his home city and a historic run from Colombia in the city with the most Colombian locals). When tickets are starting at $1400, people will jump a fence.

In 2016 and every other match this time, there were no significant issues, despite the entry and security being the same (or even lighter). But they need to have a security plan in place for these kind of circumstances.

 

Sucked overall but at some point I still hold out hope the US team will be good enough and well coached enough that superior competition is exactly what they need to be more ready for the WC. US will always be used for ticket sales, etc in Conmebol. So be it if it makes the US team better. Right now all it did was force a coaching change which could go either way.

 

a real federation would be raising holy hell for the way the USMNT was treated in this Copa America

what have we gotten from them???? crickets

their silence speaks volumes about their ineptitude and flaccidity

with competent reffing and proper conditions, im sure greggg would still be in charge of the team

im glad greggg is gone.....but that was a total shtshw

very very corrupt and horribly ran tournament in every way...the usmnt was totally hosed.

(I could probably make a list of 20 ways this copa sucked.....but for just one...the bracket.....basically gave argentina the title.......how are you going to out 4 of 5 top teams on the same side???? very very corrupt moneygrab)

USSF needs to stop hiding and take a stand for once.....and not about rainbows and DEI BS...but actual on-field issues.

IF all that is addressed, then yeah, I wuld love for USMNT to be in CONMEBOL....

but if CONMEBOL is going to conspire against USMNT success on and off the field....well, it would still be better than CONCACAF.....but would be shtty, too

 

I really don’t think CONMEBOL conspired against the US or Canada. There were refereeing errors in many matches.


Which referee error, organizational mishap, or CONMEBOL plot was responsible for the US loss to Panama? That loss was responsible for the early group exit. If anything, Weah was the culprit.


Against Panama, the US had 26% possession and 59% pass accuracy, while Panama had 74% possession and 86% pass accuracy. Again, this loss was the reason for the 3 and out, and I really don’t think CONMEBOL, the ref, or anything else beyond USSF is to blame for this loss.


Mistakes happen, refs make bad decisions, but a good team manages to overcome them. Brazil had a clear penalty against Colombia not called; we would have been first in the group and had an easier road. But we got out in the semis because we simply aren’t good enough. CONMEBOL didn’t conspire to give Argentina an easier road to the final.


Uruguay is better coached and a better team at this moment. Having to beat Uruguay to advance was a tough call.

 

The use of flacidity as a noun is funny.

There are probably reasons USSF doesn’t want to raise a stink in public. More than likely, they don’t want to risk being blackballed.

 

There were some bad ref decisions against the US but I don’t think it was a conspiracy as overall the refereeing in the tournament was absolutely terrible.

 

fixed my post

 

This bears repeating. Given the prohibitive cost of travel to the US, combined with high visa hurdles, this means the vast majority of troublemakers were US citizens/green card holders/residents.

 

its highly likely that they were citizens of other countries.