So...Trumps Veep/J.D.Vance

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Who will Trump pick as VP?

  1. Stefanik

    8 vote(s)
    28.6%
  2. Vivek

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
  3. Tulsi

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  4. Scott

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  5. Noem

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  6. Tucker

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  7. Donalds

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  8. Britt

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
  9. Mace

    0 vote(s)
    0.0%
  10. Huckabee

    1 vote(s)
    3.6%
  11. Meatball Ron

    3 vote(s)
    10.7%
  12. Other

    8 vote(s)
    28.6%
  1. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    WOW!

    On immigration, Republicans are similarly tone deaf. I became a conservative in large part because I felt that the Right was far more honest about the real state of the world. Yet a significant part of Republican immigration policy centers on the possibility of deporting 12 million people (or “self deporting” them). Think about it: we conservatives (rightly) mistrust the government to efficiently administer business loans and regulate our food supply, yet we allegedly believe that it can deport millions of unregistered aliens. The notion fails to pass the laugh test. The same can be said for too much of the party’s platform.​
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    Perhaps a journalist should ask him about this.
     
  2. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

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    Or to put it in their school shooting terms, it's just a fact of life and they need to get over it.
     
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  3. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    They've asked Kamala how many times about her changing heart on fracking?

    I doubt he'll get pressed on it from MSM.
     
  4. usscouse

    usscouse BigSoccer Supporter

    May 3, 2002
    Orygun coast
    At some point (and soon I hope) they have to implode or explode into a red chunky Campbell’s soup like mess.
     
  5. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    That's just it--the Democrat will be raked over the coals for a policy change, but a Republican can jettison their entire ideology and it's crickets.
     
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  6. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Help my memory out here…for legit flip flopping, not cynical hair splitting reasoning used to justify hypocrisy, but actual policy reversals…isn’t this just a Trump era thing? I don’t feel like this was true 15 years ago, but then, 15 years ago GOPers stuck with their positions in a normal way. My memory is that when Romney tried selling himself as severely conservative rather than who he was when governor of Massachusetts, he had to answer some uncomfortable questions. It was normal stuff. In the Trump era, policies change like the weather, based on one senile sociopathic racist’s whims. It’s just different.

    IOW, you’re suggesting this is part of the general pro-conservative media bias we’ve been dealing with since ca. 1990, but I think it’s more another way the media sanewashes/normalizes Trump.

    Thoughts?
     
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  7. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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    That ************************ is so awful...

    Wall Street Journal: “A Vance spokesperson on Tuesday provided The Wall Street Journal with a police report in which a resident had claimed her pet might have been taken by Haitian neighbors. But when a reporter went to Anna Kilgore’s house Tuesday evening, she said her cat Miss Sassy, which went missing in late August, had actually returned a few days later—found safe in her own basement.”

    “Kilgore, wearing a Trump shirt and hat, said she apologized to her Haitian neighbors with the help of her daughter and a mobile-phone translation app.”
     
  8. Sounders78

    Sounders78 Member+

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    Early Christian leaders understand apologies aren't enough - atonement is required. She needs to make amends / reparations for the harm she caused.
     
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  9. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    I just mean in the Trump era. This has become the new normal.
     
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  10. Funkfoot

    Funkfoot Member+

    May 18, 2002
    New Orleans, LA
    Trump changes his position in the middle of a sentence.
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    No, Miss Sassy is not Lindsey's pet name but the rumored-to-be-eaten cat that inspired nutsos to call in bomb threats due to Donnie & Vance continuous lies.

    Imagine hearing about any of this tomfoolery 10 years ago and thinking wait, this is happening during a presidential race??" :eek:

     
  12. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator
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    The 2004 Republican National Convention offered these John Kerry flip flops for sale. Link goes to the Smithsonian American History museum - someone had the foresight to preserve this in the museum's collection for future historians to study.

    https://americanhistory.si.edu/collections/nmah_1278758

    So 20 years ago, flip flopping was a criticism of Kerry - that and the swift boat thing where supporters of the guy who spent the Vietnam War in the Texas Air National Guard made fun of the guy who went to Vietnam and was injured in combat by wearing purple heart bandaids at the convention, but I digress - but 20 years ago, a Democrat changing their position was unacceptable, just like today, while Republicans never got challenged in the same way.
     
  13. Dr. Wankler

    Dr. Wankler Member+

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    Listen to Republicans talk about fentanyl. 40 years ago they were all JUST SAY NO and very contemptuous of addicts. Now that they can blame it on Mexico and Democrats, they feel sorry for addicts and howl about it at their grievance orgies.

    Well, it helps that those addicts are largely in the same demographics as their base, too. But that’s another acceptable GOP flip flop.
     
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  14. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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  15. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

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    I survived NYC during the 80s and early 90s. I have nothing but disdain.
     
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  16. ElNaranja

    ElNaranja Member+

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    That sign is catnip for Tucker and the Great Replacement crazies
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

    The Jitty Slitter Moderator
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    I never understood why flipflopping was bad anyway. Changing your position due to experience, political realities, changing info etc is a good thing.

    Obviously the public is suspicious of cynical policy shifts.
     
  18. FormerGermanGuy

    Mar 1, 2001
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    Someone who never changes their mind is broken in some way. Incapable of learning, so arrogant they think they already know everything, unable to admit they were wrong one point, or whatever. No one is always right.
     
  19. roby

    roby Member+

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    HAIL GRIMES!!! :cautious:
     
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  20. SamScouse

    SamScouse Member+

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    has anyone in any media asked Trump or his campaign to explain this?

    https://archive.ph/hclz5
    Trump Goes On Stunning Rant That Ends With Roast Of Stranded Astronauts When Fan Asks ‘How Will You Bring Down Cost Of Food?’

    Former President Donald Trump went on a stunning rant when a supporter asked him about lowering the cost of food — giving a winding answer that included a plan to reduce the supply of food and a chunk taunting stranded astronauts.

    At a Trump rally/”town hall” event in Flint, Michigan, Tuesday hosted by Trump surrogate Gov. Sarah Huckabee Sanders (R-AK), Trump argued that what critics call “rambling” is actually “genius.”
    He then presented a test case when a supporter named Barbara asked him, “How are you going to bring down the cost of food and groceries?”
    Over the course of eight minutes, Trump veered from topic to topic, finally getting around to food prices by promising to cut the supply of imported foods — which experts say would be massively inflationary — before continuing to wander until he dismounted with a riff about Elon Musk and the stranded NASA astronauts:

    Trump's Answer: Good. Very good. Thank you. So we have to start always with energy. Always. I don’t want to be boring about it, but there’s no bigger subject. It covers everything. If you make donuts, if you make cars, whatever you make, energy is a big deal, and we’re going to get that. It’s my ambition to get your energy bill within 12 months, down 50%. If I can do that. I’ve done a hell of a job. 5-0, not 15, fifty.

    Interest rates are going to follow and actually they’re going to follow for another reason. The economy is now not good. And interest rates, you’ll see they’ll do the rate cut and all the political stuff tomorrow, I think. And, you know, will he do a half a point? Will he do a quarter of a point?

    But the reason is because the economy is not good, otherwise you wouldn’t be able to do it. But we’re going to get interest rates down and we got to work with our farmers.

    Our farmers are being decimated right now. They’re being absolutely, absolutely decimated. And, you know, one of the reasons is we allow a lot of farm product into our country.

    And we’re going to have to be a little bit like other countries. We’re not going to allow so much to come in. We’re going to let our farmers go to work.

    And I don’t know if you remember, I love the farmers because, you know, I had many meetings as president. I had this gorgeous room with this beautiful table that seats about 35 people.

    And I was with the farmers, I usually — everybody wants something. They all want subsidy. But I was with the farmers and I think you might have been there, actually, Sarah, I said, look, fellas, we’re going to get you such a beautiful subsidy, meaning I’m going to do things.

    And one of the people raises and “Sir, honestly. We don’t want a subsidy.”

    This is the first time this ever happened to me. Everyone wants — they want money. Why did they want to build windmills? We want money with these windmills. Ay-yi-yi.

    Anyway, but you know what was amazing? He said, almost tears in his eyes. “We don’t” — they were getting decimated. “We don’t want a subsidy. We just want a, you know, a fair level playing field.”

    And I said I said, nobody’s ever said that. And I have many industries and many groups of people from different things. You know, they do all different things. It’s probably the most dramatic I’ve ever seen. He didn’t want anything. All he wanted was to be able to compete fairly.

    And the reason the problem we have is other countries. They treat us very badly in that way also. They really are. And, you know, sometimes the worst countries are our so-called allies.

    I say so-called, because in many ways they’re not allies at all. They take advantage of us. They really take advantage.

    But we’re going to do with the farmers. We’re going to do what we have to do with the farmers. We’re going to put our farmers —

    And you remember the expression when I was negotiating with China, China said, well, we’re not going to deal with this because they never had anybody negotiate. They did whatever they want. They just took us like, you know, for a bunch of suckers.

    But I told the farmers, it’s going to be they’re very good negotiators. You’re going to suffer for six months and then they’re going to fold. And that’s exactly what happened.

    They folded and they agreed to buy $50 billion. You know, you might have heard the story. I said how much, I went to the secretary of agriculture. How much did they buy? He said 15. I thought he said 50. So when they’re ready to make a deal at 15 billion, I said, no, I want 50. That’s what they’ve been buying.

    They said, No, it’s 15. I said, You said 50? And he said, No, we said 15. I said, that’s okay, ask for 50 anyway, and we got it. We got it. And they buy a lot of our products.

    So we’re going to — just a great — interest rates, energy and common sense. A lot of it’s common sense, everything.

    You know, I like to say we’re the party of common sense. We want to have a strong border. How about that? We want to you know, all of a sudden they’ve changed. They didn’t want any border. They said walls don’t work.

    Two things work. What are the two things? Wheels and walls. You know, if I do, there’s a gorgeous computer down here. In about two weeks, it’s going to be obsolete. A friend of mine is in that business. He hates it.

    He said we come up with a new model and it’s that greatest. About three and a half weeks later, the damn thing is totally obsolete. The only thing that never gets obsolete is a wall and a wheel.

    And the wall is what we’re talking about now. And, you know, we built hundreds of miles of wall. We then added more than I ever said I was going to do. And then we had that bad election result, that disgusting result. And they never put it up.

    You know what they did with it? They sold it for $0.05 and it was expensive wall it was exactly what the Border Patrol wanted with the antique plane plate on top, which I always hated because I didn’t like the look of it.

    But, you know, they demonstrated that we had mountain climbers and a couple of drug climbers. These guys are amazing. They can they put 100 pounds of drugs on the back and they go up the wall like it’s nothing.

    But they couldn’t get over the plate. So all of a sudden they said, okay, I’ll put the plate on. I didn’t like it. I liked it better without the plate, but it didn’t work quite as well.

    So this is what we did. We had it. We had the best. We had a thing called Remain in Mexico. You don’t have to be a genius to know Remain in Mexico is a very good thing. And you think that was easy to get?

    I think Tijuana, Mexico was probably the fastest growing city in the history of the world. Okay? They had hundreds of thousands. They couldn’t come in when they got in. They let everybody pour into our country, the border, just to finish with the border.

    When I talk about energy, to me it’s exciting. But to a lot of people it’s not. But it gets exciting because we’ll bring down your costs, all that. But what people want to hear and I believe when I got elected, I believe it was the border that was the biggest thing. And I fixed it and I did a great job.

    And I wanted to mention it in 2020. And my people would say, Sir, nobody cares about the border. They don’t care because I had it fixed. Now I got to fix it again. I believe the border is of the greatest interest when you look at when you look at.

    When you look at what’s happening in Aurora. Okay, Take a look at Aurora. When you look at what’s happening in Ohio, the great state of Ohio, I love it. I’m way the hell up. I wish I was up 18 points in your state. But we are up. We are up. I think when people hear what I have to say, I don’t know how you can possibly lose that.

    You. I’ll tell you this and I’ll say this for Michigan. If I don’t win, you will have no auto industry. Within 2 to 3 years, it’ll all be gone. And I know you got a little bit of an increase. It doesn’t mean that’s the small stuff because it’s just a temporary thing because you will not have any manufacturing plants.

    China is going to take over all of your business because of the electric car and because they have the material. We don’t.

    What we have is a thing called the gasoline. We have gasoline. We have so much gasoline, we don’t know what to do. They don’t have gasoline. So why are we making a product that they dominate? They’re going to dominate.

    You will not have a car industry left, not even a little bit of a car industry. So and you’re going to have electric cars, but you’re going to have 7%. You’re going to have 9%, whatever it may be. And maybe someday the technology becomes so good that you can do more. I mean, you know, it’s fine.

    But right now, the battery technology isn’t there for long term. I always say I love the electric car, but they don’t go far enough and they don’t do well. You know, in Iowa, it was 20 degrees below zero. When we had our great success in Iowa, we had a great and there were cars all over the place. I said, what’s wrong with those cars? They don’t work well in cold and they don’t work very well in heat.

    But Elon’s going to figure it out because he’s great. He gave me the greatest endorsement. He figures everything and. And right now he’s got he’s got other things. I think he’s got to get a rocket up to get those two people out of there.

    I said, Elon, let’s get going. No, they’re relying on Elon to get the two people — who would like to be up there right now saying “we’re coming back home maybe in February?”

    So that was not so good. But Elon will solve the problem. He’s great, great guy. And he loves this state and he loves your whole everything you’re doing here. And he’s done a fantastic job. He really has. And if he didn’t endorse me, I would not be saying that. Okay, I have a problem. I wouldn’t be saying.

    SARAH HUCKABEE SANDERS: We’ve got time, I think, for just one more question.
     
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  21. Minnman

    Minnman Member+

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    As the sign says “Ha
    Or as Emerson put it:

    "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall..."
     
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  22. Deadtigers

    Deadtigers Member+

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    We live a stupid where processing information is frowned upon, so to being an expert in a matter.
     
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  23. charlie15

    charlie15 Member+

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  24. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

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    She cannot live long enough to make that right
     
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    charlie15 Member+

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