Sad at how very little they got in return for it too and in a WC year too with rumors of Bocanegra and Beasley possibly coming back.
better be a boatload of allocation cash. http://www.soccerbyives.net/soccer_...cquires-orozco-after-deal-with-red-bulls.html I guess we are going to use the cash to net players like Lindpere, the GK Nikolov and maybe the defender Jonson on trial now.
Yep. I don't get it, unless we got an absolute ton of cash to spend. I also don't understand why we are in dire need of cash at the moment after having axed guys like Rojas, Krupnick, Pietravallo, etc. Don't we already have a lot to work with?
It could be something as simple as Euro manager and coach not rating possible returning US player that they don't know over some Euro player that they do know. Which is to be expected when you bring in foreign coaches and management who don't know much or anything about, i hate to repeat this, the US soccer scene and American players. Either way they gave up the allocation spot cheaply if you compare what other teams have gotten for their number one spot in the past. You would think precedent has been set and NY knew what to ask for in return for the spot.
unless we've got to pay small fees to acquire some of these guys...or maybe in the summer Barca will want some $ for letting Henry go early.
Yeah, that's crap! The Red Bulls should have demanded Zimmerman back, as well as all the Allocation cash they got.
Maybe they are doing away with the allocation in the new CBA and Red Bull just wanted to get what they could?
has to be either that or we've got to pay nominal acquisition fees to bring these guys in. Nikolav has 6 months left on his deal and Henry will still have 1 yr left on his this summer.
Yeah I could see us needed a bunch of cash for this especially in regards to Henry, but don't we still have a bunch from Jozy? I'd love to know what kind of situation we're in. Did we really need that extra allocation money?? Doesn't make complete sense, mostly because of the precedent set of cash, 1st rd pick, player... set by Philly just weeks ago! If a player does come back this summer which we would like to sign, I'll be watching what we have to give up to swap back into the #1 allocation slot. Probably won't happen, but if it does that will show if we got played or not.
Stop being such a negi-tron Blue! Lets not judge until we get the whole story!! Soler and company are mad geniuses and have a super awesome plan...be patient and have some optimisim will ya!!
See? I'm capable of being critical when it's warranted and it certainly looks like a bad move when you consider what Philly got in the Perkins deal. I really wish this allocation process were a lot more transparent.
We're now 5th on the allocation list. And we were waiting for what, after World Cup? I'd say getting money to spend now while we're seriously in need of an injection of talent isn't a dumb thing. Come on, we haven't done much cutting yet, and I expect that the axe has to fall a bit on a team that played as piss poor as we did last year. If we use allocation money to pay for VDB's salary, would you guys be a bit happier about this?
Allocations are a gamble at best. If you could name the specific player we're going to get after July with this spot, we could build the team around that expectation. But what if the player is DMB? Do we really need yet another left footed wing? But right now, it's all smoke. Put down the pipe, let the cloud clear, and let's build the team NOW, not in July.
amen to that, lets add 4-5 players before march 1. And also, if we're saving for the big summer move its Henry not a guy like Beasley or Bocanegra.
That would be a decent argument if we were assured that we got at least as much as Philly got from DC, but it certainly looks on the face of it like we settled for an awful lot less. Still, I see your point about wanting to put the pieces together now because I too am tired of these mid-season rebuilding jobs.
Tell me this is a nod agreement with MLS so that orozco goes to Nowak and in return Garber and the gang up their offer to Agudelo helping us land him and i'm fine with it. If not they gave this up cheaply.
No. We got robbed. But it was Novak behind the mask, not Garber. Unless that allocation is for like 300k, this was an awful move. edit : using that money to pull Agudelo away from Millionarios would work for me as well. Kid's a stud. It also shows that Soler has no idea about how to go about building a winning MLS team - he should have been able to get at least a first rounder out of the deal as well. Makes me think he really doesn't rate building through the draft at all. But he'd rather have Euro retreads
Hot and cold in one post? Look, holding the top allocation spot to land a player is a gamble at best. Sure, there are rumors that some nats will return. But, what happens if we do extraordinarily WELL in South Africa? Have you guys considered that the stock of these players may actually go UP? Like I said, its a long shot gamble. Selling the top spot was always going to be the better move. Sure, we can be disappointed that we didn't get 10 players, a wad of cash, and a night with Novak's sister, but seriously, we don't even know how much allocation we got. And if that allocation is the difference between having a player like VDB and/or Agudelo or not having them, I'm giving up "Red Card" Orozco in a heartbeat.
Wow so much whining in this thread... we got robbed?? This was a dumb move? Really?? Facts: We don't know who's coming back after the WC, the only 2 players that are mentioned are Bocanegra and DMB... The way DMB has been playing he won't be back unless he completely self destructs and then why would we want him? Especially at the price he would ask, no thank you. Bocanegra he's good but not great and he can't even get playing time with his current team and the price he would also ask for is too much, when we could a better player from around the world for cheaper. So if we couldn't get a good player out of it and at the end of the year it would reset what's the point of keeping it? Fact: Had we not traded spots and for allocation money Orozco would have gone through the normal allocation process which means we would have to picked him or skip. And since are needs are in the midfield (like Onion boy keeps telling us) and most people here didn't want Orozco, then what choice did we have? Philly is not DC (they aren't as dumb) and were not going to give us much and they would have forced us to take him or skip him and then we would have gotten nothing. This way we get $$$ for players our coaching staff wants, that can help us in the positions where we need it. Now if we can use this to get Agudelo we will have gotten the better of this deal, here's to hoping!
Fact: The allocation order is not exclusively for returning US internationals, it also if for players of distinction that are non DP. What would have the harm been in that? Great..so no need for us to accept the deal then. We already had plenty of allocation money. Why would we use allocation money on a player that MLS will pay for cap free under a GA contract? Remeber MLS allows us to sign one GA academy player. Oh but what do i know, clearly you, a johnny come lately, have a far better grasp of these things. Please continue to enlighten us with your knowledge.
Sure, be we already have the money to sign him. We cleared almost 500K in cap room by not having Rojas, Peitravallo and Krupnick this year. Plus have all that you suck allocation money. Yeah i'd be very happy to see VDB back..but this trade with Philly should have nothing to do with it.
Hahahaha Onion for you people, avoided everything I said to spew garbage. So you would have preferred we skipped and kept #1 and perhaps never use it? Brilliant!! We weren't going to pick him so what did you want the Red Bulls to do? As for the part about the GA if we could use that money to boost what MLS can give Agudelo (I think the fund for GA players is limited from what I read) then we have a better chance of getting him to pick us. Nice try Onion boy Edit: Oh and theres no such thing as TOO much allocation money!