so lets get this straight you lot are selling owen

yeah unfortuantely it looks like it, i was one who believed raul should have sat earlier in the season to make way for owen, no one should be untouchable, and real says that alot but never practices it/

 

So lets get this straight - your only punctuation is 12 question marks. Might be time to turn to chapter two of your English lessons.

 

Owen is not entirely happy (in the personal sense of the word) in Madrid and he wants to be a regular starter since this is WC season. If he leaves, it'll be because he is willing to, and only in one of two conditions

a) Chelsea pays us a ridiculous amount of money for him. Mourinho is desperate for a striker after failed bids for Shevchenko, Torres, Eto'o aand Adriano, and Crespo doesn't really want to go back to London, so with Kezman gone (to Atletico), they are getting kinda desperate to get a world-class striker- Abramovich's bids are ridiculous to begin with, imagine how it is when he's desperate.
b) He is part of the transfer fee to get this year's galactico - Ronaldo, Henry and Reyes have all been mentioned in a swap deal with Owen.

In any case, his exit seems more unlikely now than it did a coupla weeks ago. If he isn't gone by the second week of July, when Madrid starts training, I think he'll stay.

 

Owen is a great player in a position where we already have great players. His style of play isn't such that he can be so versatile as others also, frankly, we don't have room for that.

It was a mistake to sign him in the first place, I think that indirect repercussions of his signing counted for a lot of Madrids problems last season.

 

i wouldnt say he caused any sort of mistakes, dont forget this man saved our bacon numerous times off the bench, scoring the winners and decisive goals in the ridiculously little amount of time he was given at the end of each game...however, signing him i believe was a mistake, morientes just came off a season as leading champs league scorer and we bench him???..come on now, we needed a galactico, thats why he was here...i like him a lot now though and would hate to see him go

 

How many times must Owen say he is happy in Madrid & willing to fight for a starting place? And this has not hurt Owen as a starter for the English NT.

True. For enough Chelsea money, RM would sell him. Also true that Owen would have to OK the deal - as a courtesy if nothing else.

Not sure why you mention Henry, regardless of any half-baked media story. RM never goes after players that don't want to come to the club.

Agreed.

 

Why was picking up a world class striker at a bargain price a mistake?

 

I feel Owen's move to RM was a big mistake. I mean how many times has the guy scored only to know that he will still not be in the starting line up for the next match!

The sooner he leaves the better.

 

Yes, that makes sense. Your opinion about Owen's career is better than Owen's.

 

I might add that Owen being in the 'top 3' RM players with casillias and gravensen, just shows how badly the rest of the players played..

It was a mistake to get him, because we needed a DM at the time and getting *another* striker, when our present strikers were already demoralized and going through a forum slump, only put more unwanted pressure on them and caused a fair amount of resentment..

It affected Raul most of all.. the player that gives 100% in every game and every training session, who eventually just ran himself into the ground, because he didn't get any rest.. eventually comes under threat from owen for a permanent starting place.. our captain, losing his spot to the fresh, eager-to-prove newcomer.. not a good sign.

Owen is a good player, but he hasn't achieved what Raul had achieved at his age.

I say again, it was a mistake. That 'bargain price' money, could have bought a useful DM at the time and we'd have spared a lot more demoralizing chaos and disorganisation of an already imbalanced squad.

Oh, and Owens starting record is a lot worse than his record as a sub.. this isn't an accident - Its a lot easier to make successful runs and score when you have fresh legs, coming on after 70 mins of the person you subbed running the other defense ragged.

It was a good move for Owen, I bet he's learned a hell of a lot and is a far better player than when he arrived, already.. but, he wasn't what RM needed.

 

Not bad analysis for an 8 year old. There is a key on your keyboard called a shift key, which will allow you to capitalize letters. Ask your Mom to help you.

 

Not that it matters, but my top 3 would include Salgado - not Owen.

You are comparing apples to oranges when you say that we shouldn't have gotten Owen because we needed a DM. And why does everyone forget Cambiasso so quickly?

Sorry, I don't buy this.

Scoring goals in the 04/05 season is the point here.

Repetition doesn't change the facts.

Please explain how your theory covers Owen's goal against Valencia in the 6th minute.

I think Alonso was the player that RM needed most. But Owen was a great pick-up and I have respect for his fighting his way off the bench and on to the side.

 

Firstly, hello to everyone, this is my first post
I am a Englishman who supports premier league under achievers Aston Villa and of course, Real Madrid.

I have been reading this board for some time now and in particular, I have been interested to read your views on Michael Owen, a player who I admire.

I am astounded how some posters would be happy to show Owen the door so easily. He has done absolutely nothing wrong and has proved he is an asset to RM by doing what he is paid to do - score goals!! Ok, they're not always pretty goals (he is no Ronaldo in that sense) but they are still goals and they all count at the end of the day. This lame excuse about his inability to find his best form when starting games holds no water; he certainly shook the problem off considerably in the latter part of the season and of course how many times does the example of Zidane have to be mentioned. The man who many impatient fans happily wrote off as a over priced flop is now a RM legend. FACT!

I think it is time for many Real fans to wave goodbye to the time of the all conquering Galactico, as it is seriously clouding their judgment on certain issues, Owen being the prime example. To get back to the top RM need to find a bit of conistency, which means grinding out results. I believe Owen is key to this new approach.

I so badly want to see him do well next season, (if he stays) and I'm sure if he gets the chance and gets more games he will notch 20 goals easily.

On the other hand I can really see him going to Chelsea, if RM are crazy enough to let him go. I don't like to say it but Owen is exactly the player Mourhino is after, exactly the player Drogba ISN'T. Look how well Chelsea did last season without ever really having an out an out goalscorer. Owen is the king of the poachers goal, inside the area, and with Duff and Robben providing him with ammuntion I can see it really, really working.

Anyway, I hope I haven't rattled anyones cage on this issue, it is something I feel strongly about and is therefore a good way to introduce myself to the board.

Tim

 

...oh and also, to echo Lockjaws comments a few posts back, Owen has never EVER stated he is unhappy in Madrid. On the contrary, he apparently loves the city, he has found a house, his family are happy and ultimately he is happy. Owen is a very motivated character, a real worker. That is what makes him so interesting. In every interview he is super positive and he always makes a point of reminding us how much he wants to prove his worth in the white shirt. He is determined not to be a flop, and wants to ensure this with hard work and commitment to the cause.

Maybe if other RM 'stars' lived by this attitude there might have been a few trophies last season...?

 

agree wholeheartedly with above, other stars would have whined and b*tched about being benched, but owen was always upbeat, sayin the right things, and WINNING GAMES FOR US when ronaldo and raul forgot about putting the ball in the back of the net. its a shame to see one of the hardest working platers we had, if not the hardest working player, have to leave because perez wants to move shirts

 

So did Ronny Rosenthal, what's your point? Sell Van Nistelrooy and play Solskjear? I believe the term is "form". Well done to Owen, it's great for Real that he has upped his transfer value - but he is not and never will be Real Madrid's number nine. That's the headline position, you want a star. Owen would be great at Newcastle. English players are so hyped. Lampard has had one great season, Ashley Cole hasn't even had that, Owen had half a season and a goal against Argentina years ago that won him European footballer of the year! Prove me wrong Woodgate and Beckham!

 

I find it "very strange" that somebody, who claims to support a team that has gone so downhill that they don't even matter these days even after having won 2 European Cups, first priority is to give advice to a team that even if it doesn't win anything for what, the next 20 years or so, still have better track record than yours.

What the Hell who are we trying to kid, you're as much a Nottingham supporter, as your namesake is a good rapper.

 

Firstly, you can't compare Raul to Owen - the input they give to the team is different. I agree that Raul has had another poor season and Owen has had a good second half - but if you isolate 15 games out of a career, almost every striker worth his salt would have an impressive strike rate. I don't want a fancy showboater in attack - what I want is someone who I know will be able to do the business. I don't have confidence in Owen. Maybe I'm unreasonable, I conceed that to be a possibilty.

 

Oh dear, your post is full of holes and seems so full of pre-conceptions. You obviously have no real knowlegde of the English game.

Michael Owens scoring record in the Premier League is phenomenal, considering the very inconsistent Liverpool team he played in over the years. This somewhat supports my theory about the need for an out and out goalscorer - sometimes players like Owen who just rack up the goals, no matter how scrappy, can pull an average team through (maybe just average on the day).

Judge10: With a little help from google you can very easily find info on Owens scoring record and maybe it might help you understand he is not as insignificant historically as you seem to believe. May I also point out that his goal against Argentina (when he was only 18!) came four years before he won the European Player of the Year. That was in 2002, when he had a great season with Liverpool, winning both English domestic cups (He virtually won the FA Cup final for Liverpool on his own that year, with two excellent goals), the UEFA cup and scoring a hat-trick against Germany, in Munich, in a world cup qualifier (amongst other international goals...).

Another point I would like to make, that may upset some, is that in a lot of ways regarding career paths and statistics Raul and Owen are very similar. Obviously Raul is way more decorated and has the distinction of being the Champions League top scorer, though I attribute both of these achievements to the fact he has always (until recently) played in one of the all time great teams. Owen and Raul have very similar scoring records (I'm not 100% on Rauls scoring record but i'm assuming he has scored 18+ goals most seasons previous to the last two?) and even though they are very different kinds of players, they historically have been consistent performers for their respective teams. Now they are both at RM, Raul has had a poor couple of seasons (by his high standards) and Owen, who has the experience and motivation to suceed, is not really being given a fair chance to prove his worth.

Basically, this talk of Owen not being a big enough 'Star' to wear the Madrid number 9 is ridiculous. That is insulting and you will never know what he is capable of achieving for RM unless he is given the oppurtunities Raul has been allowed. Maybe Raul should go to Liverpool and we will see how he gets on? Stranger things have happened ;-)

 

Oscar, I know i'm new round here and I really shouldn't be crossing swords so early on, but I have to say that is the lamest, most chilidish post I have ever read. How sad. As SlimShady has basically said, we're having a discussion, not an argument.

 

¿Coming over to this board, calling a team stupid for doing something which hasn't happened is "having a discussion" in your world?

It's kind of hard to take this guy seriously when the only times he's come to this board is exactly to have this kind of "discussion".

You should really stop using the word 'debate' all the time like it's a new word you just learned, or at the very least use it when it's appropiate. Me calling you a dumbass for your "weak ass" opinions is not 'debating', just simply telling it how it is.

edit: ¿deja vu?