So I was thinking ....

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  1. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Real Madrid, DC United, anywhere Pulisic plays
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Who is the greatest goalscorer in US domestic league history? And, of course, Landon Donovan (MLS) came to mind. But thinking further I realized that Giorgio Chinaglia has the most domestic league goals ever. He scored 193 goals in the NASL, all of them with the NY Cosmos. He is the all-time scoring leader in NASL, and he surpassed Donovan's 145 MLS goals. Bravo, Giorgio. RIP.
     
  2. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    How many of those goals were the decisive "run up and shoot" end of game PKs that the very non-Traditional NASL 1.0 used?
     
  3. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Wait, what?

    You mean shootout goals?

    Players did not get credit for goals for connecting on shootout goals. (NHL players do not get credit for goals in their shootouts, either.)

    Scores (like in MLS 1.0) were reported as 3-2 (SO), but individual goals scored within the shootout itself were not added to a player's "true" goal total for purposes of league leadership. In fact, they weren't even kept/published at the league level prior to 1981. Some teams kept them, but the league either did not or did not publish them.

    (FWIW, Chinaglia's shootout record was 5 out of 16. Not a strong suit.)
     
  4. kinznk

    kinznk Member

    Feb 11, 2007
    I would go with Archie Stark number one with Harold Brittain number 2.
     
  5. SoccerPrime

    SoccerPrime Moderator
    Staff Member

    All of them
    Apr 14, 2003
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Point taken.
     
  6. Zoidberg

    Zoidberg Member+

    Jun 23, 2006
    I would love to have seen how many he would have scored without that 35 yard offside line.

    Having watched him for years I would guess....quite a bit less....criminal douche Giorgio that is.
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oddly enough, NASL goal-scoring didn't really change that much when they eliminated the 35-yard line. League-wide, it ticked up by about a tenth of a goal a game compared to the three seasons before FIFA told the league to knock it off:

    Seasons.....Games...Goals...Goals/Game
    1979-1981...1080....3850.....3.56
    1982-1984....512....1873.....3.66


    That said, obviously not all things were equal: the league was shrinking, consolidating the best defenders among fewer teams (and defenders usually have an advantage over those who create), there were fewer true goal-scorers like we had in the mid-to-late 1970s.

    Chinaglia was a douche, to be sure, but I'm not sure he would have scored appreciably fewer goals without the 35, whose powers were slightly over-rated.

    He did go from 29 goals in 1981 (with the line) to 20 in 1982 (without it), but that was their last hurrah. He didn't have the same supporting cast and the league, of course, was very different by that point.

    It's possible. Not knowable, really.
     

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