So far 2014 >>>>> 2010

Discussion in 'World Cup 2014: General' started by johnbarley2, Jun 14, 2014.

  1. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Klose scoring his 15th goal and reaching ronaldo's record
     
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  2. joebarnin

    joebarnin Member

    May 3, 2003
    Santa Cruz, CA
    In the entire 2010 World Cup, there were three come-from-behind victories. This is where a team that was losing at some point in the game, ended up winning.

    Through just the first 29 games of the 2014 World Cup, there have been eight.
     
  3. joebarnin

    joebarnin Member

    May 3, 2003
    Santa Cruz, CA
    Here's another metric that shows how much the games have been back-and-forth. You count the goals that either broke a tie, or tied the game. Basically "lead-changing" goals. But you don't count the first goal of the game, because then you are just counting the number of games that had any scoring. So basically, any goal after the first, that results in a team taking the lead, or tying the game.

    Entire 2010 tournament: 29 goals
    2014 tournament so far (29 games): 28 goals
     
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  4. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    what about a game like today´s USA-Portugal? You count 2 goals (USA tying, Portugal tying) or you count 3 (USA tying, USA in advantage, Portugal tying again?)
     
  5. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    Another 11 goals today including 2 deciding goals at the end.

    I expect tomorrow to be a goal fest. Brazil will put up at least 3 on Cameroon. Spain-Australia will be totally open since neither team has any pressure. Holland-Chile will be open since that's the only way those teams know how to play.
     
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  6. Sandinista

    Sandinista Member+

    Apr 11, 2010
    Buenos Aires
    Club:
    Racing Club de Avellaneda
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    This WC is heroin. And i'm ODing on it.
     
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  7. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    what is the average right now, with the 2nd round complete?
     
  8. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    94 goals already after 32 games.

    2.94 goals per game ...

    There's something in the water in Brazil. I think we should just have every World Cup there
     
  9. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    Has anyone counted how many defensive errors have lead to this high scoring?
    That's the story of this WC: SH1TTY DEFENSE
     
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  10. AcesHigh

    AcesHigh Member+

    Nov 30, 2005
    Novo Hamburgo
    Club:
    Gremio Porto Alegre
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    you are the glass half empty kinda of guy lol

    I guess you loved 2010 because, with the lowest goals scored in history, it meant very good strong defenses???
     
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  11. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    #111 guri, Jun 22, 2014
    Last edited: Jun 22, 2014
    Anybody can see high scoring, it takes football knowledge to appreciate good defense.
    Good offense wins games, good defense wins cups.
    And btw I loved watching the Italian defense that won 2006. That was a work of art.
     
  12. Boloni86

    Boloni86 Member+

    Jun 7, 2000
    Baltimore
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    Gibraltar
    Another trend is late goals. I think 17 goals after 80th minute and 7 after 90th minute.

    Most of them had impacts on their games. Belgium wins both their games after 80th minute. Argentina wins one after 90th minute. So does Switzerland. Uruguay wins one in the 85th. The USA games have had 4 goals after the 80th minute ... each one creating a lead change.

    And several other late goals that turned a 1 goal lead into a 2 goal lead or the reverse where a 2 goal deficit turns into a 1 goal deficit.
     
  13. johnbarley2

    johnbarley2 Member+

    Jan 19, 2013
    True, it's hard to think of a country that doesn't have at least one of its fullbacks constantly bombing up the field.
     
  14. canis

    canis Member

    Jun 10, 2014
    La reina del Plata
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    not really. It just takes an overrated self-esteem. Any average football adult fan has seen matches for at least a few decades. That qualifies as football knowledge in my book. The rest is snobish blabbery.
     
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  15. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It seems like the US' main passing/playmaking threat is its right back, Fabian Johnson.
     
  16. Snoop-a-luh

    Snoop-a-luh Member

    Jun 22, 2014
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Canis, i agree with you.

    The guy up there probably loves the Russian league,
     
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  17. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    you can watch football for 100 years and still fall for the smoke...
    oh look! lots of goals! that must be an awesome game! :rolleyes: look look! I'm on the giant screen!
     
  18. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    relax man, saying something about "your" World Cup doesn't mean I'm insulting your country
     
  19. joebarnin

    joebarnin Member

    May 3, 2003
    Santa Cruz, CA
    That would be 3.
     
  20. joebarnin

    joebarnin Member

    May 3, 2003
    Santa Cruz, CA
    I agree that more goals doesn't necessarily mean better soccer. But, fewer goals doesn't mean better soccer either. Some low scoring games are great, well-played, full of good defense. But frankly, most of the low-scoring games from 2006 and 2010 were duds. Teams playing too cautious, with a lack of inventiveness. Pathetic offenses.

    Yes there have been a few defensive gaffes, but most of the goals in this World Cup are the result of creative, attacking soccer.
     
  21. Dominican Lou

    Dominican Lou Member+

    Nov 27, 2004
    1936 Catalonia
    Replace "championships" for "cups" and you have a nice cliche from American football (all American sports, really).

    It's bullshit there and bullshit here.
     
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  22. Ed-D

    Ed-D Member

    Spurs
    United States
    Jun 13, 2005
    NY
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And yet...

    Italy 1982
    Germany 1990
    Brazil 1994
    Italy 2006

    Were all defense-first squads. Hell throw in Spain in 2010 (Pique, Puyol) and France in 1998 (Desailly, Lizarazu, Petit, Blanc) as teams with stellar defenses. Even Brazil in '02 won the World Cup final ultimately only because they were able to shut out the German attack (Klose, Ballack, Bierhoff, Jancker)
     
  23. SoccerKowboy

    SoccerKowboy BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 13, 2007
    Virginia, USA
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think a strong defense is a prerequisite, but it had to be accompanied by reasonable attacking capability. Every one of the teams you listed, except Spain, scored at least 11 goals over the course of the tournament in which they won.
     
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  24. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    tell that to the hungarians, the dutch, the chileans, the colombians, the peruvians, etc etc etc
     

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