Shurik v. Zenit (NOT sponsored by Sport-Express)

Discussion in 'Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, & the former Soviet Repu' started by Zenit, Jun 10, 2003.

  1. Zenit

    Zenit Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since the RPL race has turned into a rather dull affair, seeing as CSKA is off to the races & not looking back, and my schitzophrenic lads in blue have apparently written off the season in honor of the 300th anniversary of the city, I decided we needed something else to spur some interest here on the BS EE forums -- a moderator battle featuring the game of kings, that's right -- chess.

    Shurik, I know you know how to play -- given the overwhelming chess heritage of the former Soviet Union countries (& their continued domination today -- current US men's & women's champion are FSU emigres), I will be at a distinct disadvantage, but to show I am a sportsman of the highest order, I will defer white to my esteemed colleague & relish the challenge.

    Only ground rules are no computers, on the honor system. Discovering game lines via bookwork or the internet, however, is permissable. Algebraic notation to be used (1.e4 d5, 2.exd Nf6, for example). Kibbitzing by others allowed, of course .

    Torpedo, metros11, JustinO, whoever -- feel free to call "winners" if you are up to it.

    I await the 1st move.
     
  2. Zenit

    Zenit Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    As an aside, since he blows $$$ on everything else related to the game, I wonder if we could get Kalmykian despot and current President of FIDE, Kirsan Ilyumzhinov, to put up some prize money?? ;)
     
  3. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    I am horrible at chess, but I know the moves and I can always chicken out siting huge workloads at my 2 jobs. Therefore, I do accept. And let it be sponsored by Vecherniy Kishinev, whose chess column with insightful info on the latest game tactics I never read.

    1. e2-e4
     
  4. Zenit

    Zenit Moderator
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    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, no one ever mistook me for a grandmaster...or an international master....or a FIDE master, or even as a competent player, now that I think of it. A patzer, yes, I seem to remember being called that a few times. In fact, I have had my butt kicked in some of the finest chess cafes in Saint Petersburg...numerous times, I might add. Nevertheless, I have always liked to play the game.

    And thus it begins! In the tradition of Spassky-Fischer, Kasparov-Kramnik, Karpov-Korchnoi, Botvinnik-Smyslov, Tal-Petrossian....Shurik-Zenit!

    OK, well, not really. I'm still hoping for S-E sponsorship, though.

    1...e7-e5

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  5. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    I remember when I was a kid in that little goat-fornicating town I come from, we had a coal-burning facility right outside our four-story Khrushchev-era apartment building. I don't seem to be able to recall its exact function. As kids, we never thought of it. Maybe it provided our neighbourhood with hot water, maybe electricity, maybe it was built solely to burn all the paper products we as Young Pioneers had to collect in our school's standartized annual "recycling" campaign. To us it was just a really cool (well, hot) huge building with a big old pipe and lots of coal inside. Sometimes we would sneak in there becuase it was a nice dark place to hide in and smoke cigarettes. When the working crew discovered us, they would ask us to play chess with them. One of those guys had to be a freakin' grand-mastrer or something. An old dude, with grey scruff and an evil-smelling Belomor always hanging out of the corner of his mouth. He would challenge us to hang around for 20 moves against him and none of us ever could.
    Ah, the innocent days. I bet Ukrainian kids do the same thing nowadays, substituting games of intelligence with heroin and whores.

    2. Ng1-f3
     
  6. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Where the Hell , do you get Vecherka ?
    My youthfull memories are recalling alcoholics playing chess outside of our 5-story box for a bottle of wine , and respectable fathers ( underground alcoholics) playing domino next to them. Since somewhat youthful age I was recruited by a certain oenophile fraction to represent them in hourly " Vin de Mase " Cup , due to a 90% success rate.
    It was a wonderful relationship that lasted about 3 years , with an ugly ending involving nondelivery of a promised leather ( as opposed to rubber )soccer ball , pyromania and my Dad ( as well as a member of an esteemed aforementioned wine club )kicking the living crap outta me .
    Any wonder I have not played chess ( or domino for that matter ) in over 2 decades?
     
  7. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    P.S. The Flanders Panel by Arturo Perez-Reverte is my vote for the best chess thriller of all times.
     
  8. Zenit

    Zenit Moderator
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    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    2...Nb8-c6

    Ahhh, Belomorkanal smokes...my 1st (& last) one damn near killed me.

    In SPb, my wife's grandparents shared a communal apt. with a old woman, named Larissa, well into her 80's, smoked Belomors like she was going to the electric chair. Not terribly receptive to foreigners, it took a couple of visits & a couple of chats with her to get her to stop scowling at me, but she eventually warmed up. Turned out she is a very interesting woman, lots of stories about the days of the Siege, etc. Well, as with most pensioners, her meager pittance from the gov't. doesn't go very far, and once before my departure from SPb I brought her some stuff she asked to pick up for her at the local market, and supplemented the bag with a half dozen packs of Marlboros (hey, she'd been smoking for 60 plus years...I wasn't about to tell her cigarettes are hazardous to one's health!). The way I heard it, she waited until the day after I left....then sent someone else to a local kiosk and traded 5 of them for 20 packs of Belomors....the Marlboros didn't much appeal to her palate, apparently.
     
  9. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    I currently own a copy of The Club Dumas, an Inostrannaya Literatura edition. Plan to read it as soon as I am done with Akutagawa and the soon-to-be-delivered H.Potter-V.
    I do not get Vecherka. I merely remember it. Its sports coverage ("Nistru - Dnepr Mogilyov 0:0. Att.: 8 th.") was consise and to the point and its corssword puzzles have taught life's valuable lessons, such as Feraru being Moldavian for Kuznetsov.

    3. d2-d4
     
  10. Zenit

    Zenit Moderator
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    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, we're all about non-violence here at BigSoccer....so you get the winner.
     
  11. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    The thought of chess makes me a touch nauceous , so thanks for the invtation , but...

    As far as Club Dumas goes , I find English to be more suitable for Spanish translations than Russian. May be 'cause numerous English speaking writers from Shakespeare to Greene have wrote on various aspects of " Latin Passion".
    Perez-Reverte has written about 12 novels , only 5 of which he allowed to translate in English , finding the rest of them impossible to be properly interpreted through the language of Dickens and Ondaatje. I wonder if more than those 5 were translated into Russian?
    My favourite in order are :
    1/The Fencing Master
    2/Nautical Chart
    3/Club Dumas
    4/Seville Communion
    5/Flanders Panel

    For literary value I'd say it is :
    1/ Club Dumas
    2/Seville Communion
    3/Fencing Master
    4/Flanders Panel
    5/ Nautical Chart
    P.S. There's a movie - " The 9th Gate of Hell" based on " Club Dumas " , but even though Polanski directed it , and Johnny Depp does an adequate role in playing the main character , it is a quite feeble interpretation of the novel.

    Who 'dis Akutagawa?

    I have first 4 HP's and may be read 20 pages of it , total, since it still scares my 9 yr. old daughter.

    I have not read Akunin, how good is he ?
     
  12. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    BTW Shurik , we have season seats for the Angels , and no one ever has brought a live , freakin' monkey to the Edison Field ( dressed up or in the nude) , no Disney character has appeared there either (not even Cruella DeVille or Emilio Estevez ).

    The humour of the overall piece on the Swamp was colorful enough , that literary freedoms were more than justifiable.
     
  13. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    I always prefer Russian translations from any language except English. However, nowadays there are too many translators in Russia with horrible command of either language and it makes buying books so much riskier.
    I usually trust Inostrannaya Literatura, as they are a very respectable firm.
    Akunin, by the way, works there. He is Russia's premiere authority in Japanese literature.
    As for his detective novels, there are 3 major series: Erast Fandorin, Sister Pelagiya and Nicholas Fandorine. The first one is excuisite, the second is pretty good but short (3 books only), the third one is garbage (mainly because Akunin doesn't do contemporaty plots nearly as good as historical ones). This, of course, is tongue and cheek literature, full of references and parodies of other authors (Dostoeyevsky and Eco seem to be his favourites), but I enjoyed it immensely. Try Azazel, the first book of the Erast Fandorin series, and deside whether it's your cup of tea.

    Akutagawa Ryunoske is a Japanese classic. One of Kurosawa's films is based on his novella In the Forest.
     
  14. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    You mean to tell me that the "Rally Monkey" is a figment of my imagination?
    I will leave the whole "season baseball tickets" thing on your consciense. Everybody chooses his own path to hell, I guess.
     
  15. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    I have found 4 Perez-Riverte books in Russian on ozon.ru: Club Dumas, El maestro de esgrima (Fensing Master), La piel del tambor (Seville Communion), La tabla de flandes (Flanders Panel).
     
  16. Zenit

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    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I need to get you to Wrigley Field or Fenway Park, on a warm summer afternoon, with a beer vendor permanently stationed within earshot & a sack of salted in the shell peanuts that are fresh out of the roaster & still warm.

    Perhaps your opinion of baseball will change, after such an excursion....
     
  17. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    For some reason whenever somebody attempts to bring me into the flock of the Church Of Fastball and Skoal, they always mention things like hot dogs, the smell of the grass, the warm summer day, the peanuts, the Takemeouttotheballgame, the first catcher's mit on birthday, the sound the crack of the bat and of Babe Ruth scratching his belly and all this non-game-related stuff. I guess, the only thing in baseball not worthy of exhalting is the game itself.

    Your move, sir...
     
  18. SovietRemnant

    SovietRemnant New Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    Lomonosov, Russia
    Priv'yet. Go Zenit. Or should I want Shurik to win? He does not support my rival team.
     
  19. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    What do you know... An exclusive Dinamo SPb fan. So you are the one!!! I bet one hundered broken bats (courtesy of Semi "Fat Man Swinging" Saucer) that you are over 89 years old!
     
  20. SovietRemnant

    SovietRemnant New Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    Lomonosov, Russia
    Actually no. I just got frustrated with Zenit, so I turned my attention toward a winning team. I'm 29.
     
  21. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    I admire your desision. However, you do realise that the last time The Winning Team played in the Premier League you were minus-10 years old, right?
     
  22. SovietRemnant

    SovietRemnant New Member

    Jun 11, 2003
    Lomonosov, Russia
    That is about to change. Dinamo is doing very well at this point in the season.
     
  23. TORPEDO

    TORPEDO Member

    Sep 19, 1999
    Za nakryityim stolom
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Russia
    Rally Monkey only appears on the jumbotron and is pre-recorded , it is the same trained monkey that has appeared in numerous sitcoms and movies , originally in Ace Ventura.
    That does not preclude that a multitude of it's plush counterparts does not appear on a daily basis at the stadium. God knows I get tired sometimes of lugging my daughter's " Floppyjack " and "Mr. Glaus" every night , but, methinks, I would not have it any other way.
    As far as the " Road to Hell" , to mention Mr. Rea's immortal classic, consider the alternatives.

    Both of you Gentlemen have an outstanding offer to visit my humble confines by the beach , and partake in boogey boarding lessons ,a long evening at Edison Field , and a pilgrimage to the Home Depot Center , even though I can't stand Galaxatives.
    Re : Akutagawa - I've seen his Kurosawa's interpretation , would you recommend him ?
    Ian Pears' "The Instance of the Fingerpost" was inspired by that book , and is actually quite good.


    Zenit : I made it a point once to visit as many BB parks as humanly possible , and I'd say that atmosphere vise you're absolutely correct - i.e. : A/ 1st base side at Fenway , 20 rows up as in the " Field of Dreams" ,

    B/left field bleachers on the aisle at Wrigley as in " Bleacher Bums " ,

    C/right field in Edison Field as in " Angels in the Outfield", Gene Autry BBQ grilled jumbos and Heineken or Tecate drafts , and Tim Salmon throwing out 'bout 9 balls a game to the faithfull. Catching one , and getting it autoed later , went farther in my daughter's eyes than coaching her soccer teams or reading with her every night,

    D/right field bleachers in Yankee Stadium for pure vocabulary expansion value , and the view simliar to the Babe's Day photo from 1948

    E/top deck at the Dodger Stadium - day game , for Chavez Ravine view, Dodger Dogs - grilled , and the scoreboard angle simlar to the one from Koufax's perfect game against the Cubs;


    F/ Club level, first base side at PacBell for the simultaneous view of boats in McCovey's Cove and San Francisco skyline , as well as lack of lines for Anchor Steam or Lagunitas draft;

    ...enogh already , this can go on for a while.

    Shurik if you ever decide to attempt a journey towards enlightment by baseball , let me know , and I'll recommend reading and viewing collateral.

    Meanwhile ,if you read the first chapter or actually, prologue to Don DeLillo's "Underworld" , which s generally considered (not by me ) the best American novel of the '90's ('bout an hour of your time) and read to your daughter " Teammates" by Peter Golenbock , as a bedtime story ('bout 10 minutes of your time), you may take a trip to Camden Yards on your own : be sure to visit Boog Powell's BBQ ( in right field if memory serves me right).
    Cheers.
     
  24. Zenit

    Zenit Moderator
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    Jun 3, 2000
    Above the Tear Line
    Club:
    Zenit St Petersburg
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not really. There's plenty about baseball to like. But IMHO, it is not about JUST the sporting aspect, but all the events surrounding the game. It is what makes it unique, also IMHO.

    Of course, your mileage will & often does vary ;)

    Welcome, SovietRemnant! Looking forward to seeing 2 teams from Piter in the RPL next year, that is unless Zenit manages to get themselves regulated -- not likely, sure, but a team that can get beat by crappy Uralan Elista, anything can happen to it. Shurik, it seems your earlier prediction re: the Czech experiment, sadly, appear to be accurate.

    Which is why I'm playing chess!!

    3...e5 x d4
     
  25. Shurik

    Shurik New Member

    Nov 2, 1999
    Baltimore, MD
    That's another thing everyone does when they try to convert me: they always assume I know nothing about the game. Believe me, despite of what I've written in the article, I am quite familiar with the subtle arts of the Testicle-Scratching Game. Unlike some Americans who are quick to point out that they "hate Communism", I like to know what I hate and hate what I know.

    Zenit, here is my point. When you hear a football fan waxing nostalgic about his favourite sport, I bet you the first sentence out of his mouth is going to include words like "dribbling", "diving header", "cross into the box", "a friggin' impossible save, lad" and/or "that blind monkey of a ref".
    Everybody's attempts to win my soul for Salami Souza so far (NO EXHEPTION!!!!) have always started with ambience, food and complex father-son relationships.

    4. Nf3 x d4

    TORPEDO,
    Akutagawa was a genius. Try his novellas, you won't regret it. The Sufferings of Hell is a particularly good one. It's not about baseball, however.

    I have a son and if he ever desides to take up baseball, it's going to be disowning time in our household.
     

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