Should the USMNT boycott the WC in a Russia 2018.

Discussion in 'International News' started by Schapes, Jul 23, 2014.

  1. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Or, should FIFA strip Russia of hosting the tournament?
     
  2. Placid Casual

    Placid Casual Member+

    Apr 2, 2004
    Bentley's Roof
    In before the lock and.

    Why should they boycott?
     
  3. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No. Why?
     
  4. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Because of the situation and their involvement in the downing of MH-17.
     
  5. KC96

    KC96 Member

    Mar 2, 2013
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    I know athletes that would have competed for the USA in the 1980 Summer Olympics in Moscow - which the US boycotted to protest Russia's invasion of Afghanistan.

    They always wonder "what if I had a chance to compete", and rue their missed opportunity, and also didn't like being used as political pawns. I'm sure it further salts their wounds that the US military was in Afghanistan a few decades later....

    As much as possible, let's keep international politics and sports separate. Many use sports as an alternate escape/entertainment from the everyday world - I've seen very little good coming from mixing sports and international politics.

    For me, sports should be, and is, a rare way to pull separate peoples/countries together through commonality - Sports should not be another excuse amongst the hundreds of other common ones to further pull nations apart.
     
  6. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
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    Ridiculous.

    I hope the mods move this to the politics board.

    @bungadiri @Friedel'sAccent

    Does this thread belong here? This is a politics thread disguised as a sports thread.
     
  7. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    So you believe FIFA should leave the Cup in Russia?
     
  8. Skippysasquirrel

    May 11, 2012
    San Diego, CA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. KC96

    KC96 Member

    Mar 2, 2013
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    The problem is, once you start here, where do you draw the line? How many deaths, from how long ago, with what level of proof, from what causes (e.g. the environment in China has killed way more people then were on MH-17, maybe someone is against Capital Punishment in the USA) would merit moving a sports event out of a country?

    Qatar might be different because the reported exploitation of workers is a "direct consequence" of building stadiums for FIFA's World Cup. But if you start trying to morally rationalize a WC host site beyond that....

    Do you want to set up FIFA (one of the most corrupt organizations around) as the "arbiter" of which country is "good/moral" enough to host a tournament?

    No thank you.
     
  10. chad

    chad Member+

    Jun 24, 1999
    Manhattan Beach
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did I just go on a 4 year bender?!
     
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  11. evan eleven

    evan eleven Member

    Jun 4, 2009
    California
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    Seattle Sounders
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    --other--
    maybe. depends on what happens in the next couple years...
     
  12. SgtYourke

    SgtYourke Member

    Apr 3, 2014
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    We shall fight for your right to have babies brother, even though you don't have a womb and that's no one's fault not even the Russians.
     
  13. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Well the incident was inside of four years from the date of the WC.

    The downing of MH-17 was a pretty heinous act. The Russians had to be involved.

    Capital Punishment (which I am against) is a policy.

    MH-17 was an action.

    Interesting.
     
  14. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    As was IR655.
     
  15. 21st Century Pele

    Apr 16, 2014
    No.

    Close the thread.
     
  16. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
  17. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    I'm sure Russia will have similar excuses regarding MH17. I also suggest you do a bit more research on IR655 past a day-later press report that seems largely to be the an attempt at damage limitation by a Reagan Administration official.
     
  18. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's an assumption. I wouldn't believe everything our media says. There's reports internationally suggesting it was Russian rebels and also reports suggesting the missile was fired from inside Ukraine and it was rebels or soldiers dressed as Ukrainian military who did it.

    Our government has said there's no evidence at this point linking Russia to the attack. We're at least partly responsible as the initial separatists in Ukraine were backed by American and EU interests. It's far more complicated than Russia did it. We have a long and rich history of pushing to destabilize and overthrow regimes.

    It's not like the US hasn't committed heinous acts ourselves where innocents are killed. Should we be boycotted too?
     
  19. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Would European countries consider boycotting?

    The Netherlands maybe?
     
  20. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    If you have other info. Please pass it on.
     
  21. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001
    Russia boycotted the Olympics in 1984.

    Anyone can boycott anyone.


    Maybe the mobile missile launcher going back to Russia minus two missiles?

    The Ambassador to the UN for the US has been pretty forceful.

    From what I have gleaned most experts agree that Russian rebels in the Ukraine would have needed help to launch those rockets.

    Interesting.
     
  22. M

    M Member+

    Feb 18, 2000
    Via Ventisette
    Really, it's not hard to find info on IR655 that's rather more "complete" than those day-later quotes of that Reagan Administration official.

    If the US wants to boycott, I'm sure there are plenty of other countries that will happily take their place.
     
  23. Schapes

    Schapes Member

    Aug 20, 2001

    They quoted President Reagan and the Chairman of the Joint Chief of Staff.

    Two guys pretty high up in the food chain.

    Your argument. The burden of proof is on you.

    Maybe the US, the Netherlands and other European countries withdraw and have their own tournament?
     
  24. MtMike

    MtMike Member+

    Nov 18, 1999
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    Sporting Kansas City
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    United States
    As long as we can guarantee the safety of our team and fans, no.
     
  25. jond

    jond Member+

    Sep 28, 2010
    Club:
    Levski Sofia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, I expect that from the UN ambassador, there's pro-Ukraine/EU and anti-Russian interests here. Ukraine is very valuable given its location. Our media came out blaming Russia about as soon as the plane went down, absence of evidence. They've since had to backtrack and say there's no direct evidence linking Russia but they created the situation. There's an agenda here.

    Does it mean Russia is innocent? Of course not. But we need some tangible evidence and a greater understanding that both sides are at fault for how things have gone. What I find most interesting is if there's clear evidence Russia did it, then why haven't the satellite images been released? There's more to this than meets the eye.
     
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