Should the Copa America be Tim Ream’s last hurrah?

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  1. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, he was bad on that play, but did you see what he did in the 28th minute? Nobody else in the pool can do that. And that defending at 61 was terrific too. His pass at 82 is why he’s a candidate.
     
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  2. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    We're only allowed to highlight Ream's bad moments.

    Defenders get beaten in soccer. With extreme regularity. That's how teams score goals.

    Did people see Euro heart throb Noahkai Banks this past weekend? He was beaten for three goals as Augsburg got their doors blown off. That's soccer.

    Yes, if we had better centerbacks in the pool then we wouldn't be talking about Tim Ream.
     
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  3. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    its not just "that one play"...1 play like that in the WC knockout and youre eliminated (like how claudio reyna ended his career and cost the usmnt)
    or omar gonzalez own goaled it in couva to cause the us to miss the wc
    or wondo missed his sitter to cement the belgian loss
    ricardo clark vs ghana in WC
    or walker zimmermans boneheaded PK vs wales
    or micheal bradley idiotic turnover vs portgual turning a win into a draw on the last play of the game
    etc etc

    bottomline - being a good defender is about not making poor defensive miscues that cost goals.

    1 mistake from a forward is no big deal. 1 mistake from a centerback...the vet "captain" is likely lethal. cannot be tolerated.

    this was the biggest game of the season for charlotte. and guess what? wc level attacks will be multiple levels above this.

    i wasnt sure if you guys would really try to make excuses for ream here...and im shocked even you guys have - you arent seeing things clearly IF you care about the usmnt, that is.

    but you clearly dont....for whatever reason you guys are just mls schills
     
  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody’s perfect.

    The flaw in your thinking is that nobody knows beforehand who will make a mistake. Maybe you have a Time Machine but the rest of us mortals don’t. Your level of Monday morning quarterbacking is laughably extreme.
     
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  5. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Its not that we're making excuses for Ream.

    We know the pool and we know the options.
    The American version of William Saliba isn't out there waiting to be picked.

    Mauricio Pochettino forgot more about playing centerback this morning before his coffee than I'll know in my entire life. He played centerback for friggin' Argentina.

    I'll trust his evaluation of Ream over EVERYONE on this board. Unless one of you is the ghost of Franz Beckenbauer. I guess I can't eliminate that possibility.

    Its like complaining about Omar Gonzalez in the 2018 cycle. Who did you want instead?
    Omar Gonzalez had literally just won the CONCACAF Champions League with Pachuca in 2017. Right after Couva, he went off to the Club World Cup where Pachuca finished 3rd.
     
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  6. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    Tim Ream is still an excellent player.
     
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  7. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    I think so too.

    I don't really understand the issue.

    People decided three years ago that Tim Ream wasn't going to make it to WC26, so have had this aim to replace him. He's still performing like he's worthy of selection compared to the rest of the pool.
     
  8. CoachP365

    CoachP365 Member+

    Money Grab FC
    Apr 26, 2012
    The guy next to ream, who was between ream and the guy with the ball, effectively stting a pick,
    it's not on him it's on ream? The guy who the errant pass back in midfield didn't connect with, who just kinda turned and "Adams v Memphis"-ed his way back into the play, nothing on him for not being closer when the blocked cross (blocked by ream" popped back out to where he probably should have been?

    I' mwith you on your later comment - Poch was a high level centerback, and he has gone on to be a high level coach, Imma trust his evaluation of the centerbacks - probably all the other positions too.
     
  9. TheHoustonHoyaFan

    Oct 14, 2011
    Houston
    Club:
    FC Schalke 04
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If you are actually watching his MLS matches, please highlight Ream's great defensive moments this season.
     
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  10. NietzscheIsDead

    NietzscheIsDead Member+

    NO WAR
    United States
    May 31, 2019
    NO WAR
    Not only compared to our pool, but compared to most other pools including those in UEFA and CONMEBOL.
     
  11. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    who did I want instead? go search the site. i guarantee you i posted about not wanting omar gonzalez back then

    heres a list of centerbacks that started for the usmnt in 2017-2018: miazga, brooks, zimmerman, carter vickers, epb, long, parker, opara, ream, zusi, birnbaum, cameron, hedges besler etc

    acting like omar gonzalez was a slam dunk pick is IDIOTIC .and its the kind of statement you ALWAYS make on here. some lame assumption as if it is a given that is totally bonkers

    thats the difference between me and you - i actually remember stuff that happened in the past accurately.

    bruce arena IDIOTICALLY said we have mlsers who can get the job done....came in and relied on MLS vets replacing klinsmann and missed the WC. Gonzalez was trash at that point. he shouldnt have even been on the roster in couva.

    pochettino can be wrong about things. it concerns me that he seems so confident on ream. i pray he gets exposed in the upcoming friendlies and not in the actual world cup. he is toast.

    poch is playing 3 cbs to cover for ream but itdoesnt work like that. weak links will be exposed.

    reams passing is an asset and good....but if he gives up soft goals (as the team has consistently done with him under poch) it wont matter

    idgaf who we have to put there. they just have to be able to defend. something ream cannot do ...against actual good attackers. if he could he would still be in the epl. and not crapping the bed in the mls playoffs.
     
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  12. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was almost flawless today, so I guess he’s back in the 11. ;)

    A little surprised he didn’t take a PK.

    Also, not relevant to whether he should play for us or not…the development of his partner Malanda speaks well of his ability to mentor and lead.

    So we’ve got a player who

    1. Has played in old MLS, then in England for a couple of clubs, then back in new MLS. Point being, he’s seen a lot.
    2. Has the smarts to still be viable at his age.
    3. Has the personal discipline to keep his body in the game at his age.
    4. Has demonstrated leadership.

    Dude has “coach” written all over his resume, is what I’m saying.
     
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  13. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    forget the USMNT

    Ream isnt good enough for MLS

    seriously, Tim, if you are reading this....just retire now from the USMNT and save yourself from ruining the home World Cup of your nation...you really dont wanna go down like that, boss
     
  14. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Writing this at the hour mark

    Ream hadn’t lost his job or anything.

    But he hasn’t bolstered my confidence in him either.
     
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  15. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #415 adam tash, Nov 16, 2025
    Last edited: Nov 16, 2025
    i read in the other forum (that Im banned from posting in) how people are trying to blame gio for the paraguay goal lol

    ream's "speed" is a liability. period. truly pathetic how far behind the paraguayan goalscorer ream is running the play......paraguay shouldnt have scored any goals in the game.

    in order, though, of who I see wishng they did better on the paraguay goal:

    1. freese - how is no one talking about this guys decision making here? almiron's cross bounced in his 6 yard box. just as almiron is hitting the cross, freese is very close to where the cross ultimately landed.....what did freese do on the play? he backed up onto his goalline and let the paraguayan blast the ball into his goal.

    HORRIBLE positional awareness. he needs to rcognize that his centerbacks were burned and the best chance of stopping the goal is by getting to the cross. if he went for the cross, he wouldve easily gotten it.

    it was "safer" for him to retreat and hide on his goal line....that way he wouldnt be blamed for the goal.

    I want GK who is bold and takes charge and FIGHTS To stop goals.....

    im not confident at all in the GK or centerbacks on pochs usmnt. AT ALL

    100% certain they will give up some soft af goals in the wc


    2. the centerbacks- IF youre going to press, you need centerbacks that can recvoer...with speed. john brooks was exiled from usmnt because of not being to cover in the high press.....well guess what? john brooks is usain bolt compared to ream.

    its so beyond silly that anyone would want gio and balo to press quicker, speedier on the play...but no then also demand speed from miles and tim.

    who's job is it to mark the opposing forwards? the centerbacks. no ONE ELSE. its their job to stop the FRWRDS from scoring! their job is to defend. not gio. not balo. FFS. time and time again under poch we see these opponents get a "lucky" goal out of nowhere against the run of play.....over and over again we see tim ream running behind the play watching someone else score from a shot in the center of the box, while his defenders online place blame elsewhere. the centerbacks responsibility is preventing goals....stopping forwards from scoring in the center of the box.....every forward we have played lately has scored...the korean, the ecuadorian, the australian, the paraguayan etc. again and again right down the middle of the pitch.

    thats it. thats all the people who shouldve defended better on the play.

    i 100% guarantee reams lack of footspeed and ability to cover ground will haunt this team in the WC next year if hes on the field vs anyone good.
     
  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    It's literally absurd to have a ranking on the goal and not blame Scally, who takes the wrong angle and gets beat.
     
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  17. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Scally & Robinson both are more responsible than Ream...
     
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  18. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Yes, but upon replay, I don't put a ton on Robinson. He was playing higher than the striker to keep the striker offside. With the guy being offside and thus having several steps on Miles, I'm not entirely sure it was possible for Miles to catch up because the play was executed so smoothly. Both players sprinted there and bam.

    Miles would have had to completely outrun the striker to goal with no benefit of any timing hitch to help.

    Reality is, Scally made the mistake and Freese could have / should have bailed him out but was too cautious.

    Maybe Miles could have gotten there ... but I'm not sure. He seems a very distant third in this.

    Ream ... what? Miles was marking the striker. If Ream had made a play from the far side ... he deserves a medal or something.
     
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  19. EruditeHobo

    EruditeHobo Member+

    Mar 29, 2007
    San Francisco, CA
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
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    United States
    Agreed. I might need to watch it again, he looked incredibly hesitant in getting started once the threat was already there. But maybe I'm mis-remembering.
     
  20. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Okay, I went and rewatched some of the replays, and one, it's kind of crazy how different things look from different angles.

    But ... Arce does get an initial step on Miles. I'm not sure it was hesitation on Miles' part -- it might just have been that it takes a bit longer to get up to speed, but I see what you are saying.

    The funny thing is, he actually does close the gap ... but Almiron is all the way in the corner and Miles is a few yards ball side of Arce ... which means he'd actually have to be significantly in front of Arce to cut it off because the ball is heading away from goal.

    I still struggle to put nearly so much on him as the others.

    It really does come down to that hitch by Scally, for whatever reason.

     
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  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Well, I mean it first comes down to a perfect pass from the centerback into the space right in front of Almiron. He doesn't break stride as the ball bounces once in front of him and then he whacks a perfect cross to Arce. The whole thing took like 8 seconds.

    We can kind of analyze it till the cows come home. Could Scally, Robinson, Ream, Freese, etc. have done things differently? Sure.

    Sometimes you're just beaten, though. Defenders get beaten. That's how teams score goals.
    Sometimes you just have to tip your cap to the opponent. We didn't beat ourselves there. That was a gorgeous cross from Almiron. Absolutely gorgeous.
     
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  22. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

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    May 12, 2019
    Scally absolutely made a mistake. I don't know why he angled in, but he lost Almiron there. It was a really great execution by them, but it was not undefendable.
     
  23. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    Barcelona, Spain
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    a faster centerback is there to defend...ream might as well be on teh sidelines during the play.

    thats the point.

    hes too slow.

    its not about this blame game you guys wanna play.

    its literally that ream has no recovery speed.

    if you wanna play high press.....ream is a LIABILTY.

    i cannot fathom how usmnt fans want this guy on the field while also wanting the usmnt to be good.

    its one or the other and you guys are choosing ream lol
     
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  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    It not that USMNT fans "want this guy on the field."

    We're living in reality. The guy is our captain and starts virtually every game.

    He will be starting for the USMNT, so we want him to succeed.

    I'm a fan of the USMNT; not some mythical team with the lineup of my choosing.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That’s because soccer is too complicated for you to understand.
     

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