Should the catholic church change & listen to the voice of the people?

I'm not up to speed with catholic dogma, i have no idea about it. It just appears to me that a 1500-year old complex theology inherently contains contradictions which it resolves on a regular basis. Killing is bad, but not if it's in self-defense, etc.

 

Rhetoric? I wish it was, to be honest.

For solely the sub-Saharan African region:

http://www.unaids.org/en/geographical+area/by+region/sub-saharan+africa.asp

Adults and child deaths
due to AIDS in 2004

2 300 000

(range: 2 100 000- 2 600 000)

 

Wrong CFinDC...read the Encyclicals...

 

Back it up baby, I got all night.

 

So how about those already infected??

 

And your point of view is that the Vatican is responsible for all of those deaths? You're absurd.

 

Of course it doesn't work -- the church can't ban people from doing what they want. But if a particular Catholic decides he won't have sex until he gets married, surely this will indeed work and keep him from contracting AIDS -- provided he won't contract it through a doctor or a dentist.

 

The Catholic Church fully realizes that a married couple engages in intercourse for purposes other than procreation. Ever hear of the rhythm method?
Please include your retraction and/or apology in your response.

 

When you're the major health care provider on a continent and you refuse to distribute condoms or provide medically accurate information? There is some blame to be placed.

You're getting angrier as this progresses - how come?

 

To be honest on this point, DynamoKiev_USA... I don't know!

I am searching for an Encyclical or official guidance on those already infected; I don't see anything specifically on it! I'll continue to check, but I think if you are looking for a pass on the rules just because of a medical exception, forget it!

As I said, I don't see, or don't know, but I think the Church's rules apply generally...

I can't imagine bending the rules based on prior sin....

 

If you are a Catholic, nobody is making you stay. If not, you don't have any right to tell the Church how its must change. I don't tell Jews, Muslims or any other religion how they must conform with the whims of modern society.

Yeah, Ratzinger is the anti-Christ and I am his helper. Looking for souls to convert to the dark side.

 

Care to cite that part of the encyclical that states that? You or Father Dougal can take this one.

 

Dude it's not based on "prior sin" -- it's based on the fact that you will *kill* your spouse if you have relations with her while infected. Sin has nothing to do with it, for all you know aids could've been contracted from a dentist.

 

It's common knowledge that the Church allows the rhythm method. I don't think citations are called for. Hell, they taught it to me in great detail at St Mary's Domincan High School. I've gotta say that was some handy knowledge to have.

 

You should talk to your local Priest; most Churches have/offer handouts on various topics, based on Church policy/dogma. Sex and intimacy within the bond of marriage exists; i.e., love within the traditional marriage is, of course, allowed, but not outside of such marriage. You should also read some of the links to Vatican policy already cited. The Catholic Church is by no means closed mouth with its policy; there are a variety of web links to American Diocese/Churches which freely disseminate guidance to address your questions...

 

My understanding of the rhythm method is to track when intercourse should take place to ensure conception occurs, not as a guide for enjoyable sex.

I could be wrong however, I ended up skipping those classes and reading Our Bodies Our Selves.

 

It can be used for both things. It was taught to us as a means to prevent pregnancy.

Didn't you say someplace that you're Catholic? Because that's a weird piece of knowledge for a Catholic woman to not have.

 

Because you choose to be glib, baiting and offensive when, for once, someone is trying to engage in civilized discussion.

 

I'd rather hear it from you - after all, you seem to be the BS resident expert on the Sacred Doctrine of the Faith.

And while you're at, still waiting on official Vatican policy concerning the ability of a spouse to protect herself from her partner who is infected.

 

I am, I just honestly blanked on the pregnancy prevention angle. My bad.

 

Request you drop the "Dude" reference... and you answered your own question! "...the fact that you will *kill* your spouse if you have relations with her while infected..." Then don't.

You are confusing sex with love; if you really love her, and are infected, then to so engage, jeopardizes her life... You have your answer but you seem to refuse to accept it, in my opinion.

 

Never said I was! And if you scroll backward a few posts, you'll see the link I gave to just that office in the Pentagon. Did you read that information?

You know I tried to engage in civilized debate on this issue, while citing references for my allegations...seems you just wish to criticize...

 

I don't care to accept it or not, I'm not Catholic, I want to understand the logic. They are saying that a husband should never have relations with his wife if infected, and he should not attempt to use a condom? Okay.

By the way, is divorce still banned by the catholic church?

 

Sorry...the Boss (GWB) is going to speak and I want to hear him...I'm done here....

 

Yes. You can petition for an annulment in some cases, but divorce is prohibited. People who are divorced aren't even supposed to take Communion.