Should MLS pull out of Open Cup?

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Should MLS pull out of Open Cup?

  1. Yes

    11 vote(s)
    18.0%
  2. No

    42 vote(s)
    68.9%
  3. Unsure/it depends/maybe

    8 vote(s)
    13.1%
  1. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    Doesn't really matter.
    Every country has a domestic open cup that the top tier participates in. Do you want us to be the only country that doesn't have this?
    There are ways to reduce the participation in the earlier stages.
     
  2. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
    Chicago
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Not every country has a cup competition.

    I am happy USSF told MLS that they have to keep playing.
     
  3. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    Even Cyprus, population 1 million, has a cup :ROFLMAO::ROFLMAO:

    But not every country has a really open one with the rinky dink teams.
     
  4. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And our nearest neighbor, Mexico, does not (been on hiatus since COVID, after being on hiatus from '97-'12).
     
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  5. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    Is that why they are no longer good at football? They are on the same level as us
     
  6. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    When was the last time Mexico FAILED to qualify for the World Cup?
     
  7. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    When's the last time they made it past round of 16?
     
  8. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They never reached the fifth game when they had a cup nor when they didn't, so the cup probably has nothing to do with it.
     
  9. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    #134 NewDadaCoach, Jan 9, 2024
    Last edited: Jan 9, 2024
    So let me get this right...
    * Don Garber (MLS Commissioner and USSF board member) is CEO of Soccer United Marketing which owns the media rights to the Mexico National Team (amongst many other things)
    * Garber runs the SuperLiga from 2007-2011
    * Copa MX, founded in 1907, goes on hiatus in 2019.
    * Leagues Cup is founded in 2019
    * May 2023, Garber criticizes Open Cup, stating that the tournament is "a very poor reflection on what it is that we're trying to do with soccer at the highest level."
    * Dec 2023: MLS announces they won't compete in the Open Cup

    So, Garber wanted Liga MX and MLS to exit their respective open cups, to make room for his new brain child - Leagues Cup, which is interrupted by the pandemic (but he has to push the pedal in 2023 to ride the Messi wave). It's clear that he cares only about money. And that he's leveraging his influence to make all of North America his personal experimental playground (while also pushing beyond NA/concacaf with SUM).
     
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  10. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If by "he" you mean "the face of what the owners want" then maybe. But everyone seems to forget Don Garber works for them, not the other way around.
     
  11. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Copa MX went on hiatus because of COVID, and they never decided to restart it, other than playing the long-delayed final that was scheduled for April 2020. Garber had nothing to do with that.

    Garber is not an evil genius running everything. He's an employee and representative of the MLS owners. He doesn't tell Mexico what to do, and it turns out that MLS is staying in the US Open Cup.
     
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  12. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    For years I’ve heard the rallying cries of “we don’t need MLS!” among lower division fans. This would’ve been an opportunity to put that to the test and gauge the ability of mainly the USL clubs to carry the torch of a U.S. soccer institution.
     
  13. AZUL GALAXY

    AZUL GALAXY Member

    Aug 28, 2009
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CDSC Cruz Azul
    So if USL championship has an opportunity to play in a tournament like Leagues Cup where they could make way more money than USOC, would they take it or let it go ?
     
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  14. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Sep 28, 2019
    Surrrre... Garber had nothing to do with it. And how exactly do you know that? Provide proof.
    He is definitely influencing things. Let's not be naive. He's more than an employee, he is an executive with 3 very powerful soccer organizations.

    I can see why he would not get an open cup.
    I get it, because I see it in Europe. I got into the English open cups first. And that made me realize that open cups are great and a part of soccer culture.

    Now, Garber did not start there. He didn't start with English football.
    He started as an NFL executive who hated soccer. That is his context.
    And in the big 3 US professional sports there are no open cups.
    Hence it would only make sense that his mind is wired to not see value in open cups, and to approach major league soccer similar to the other pro American sports.

    Lamar Hunt was a football guy too... BUT... he went to Europe and fell in love with soccer there then built it up in the US.
     
  15. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    "Prove a negative because I feel like he did something even though I have no proof of it"

    GTFO of here with that logic. SMH.
     
  16. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    COVID was created in a lab to bring about the New World Soccer Order.
     
  17. Elninho

    Elninho Member+

    Sacramento Republic FC
    United States
    Oct 30, 2000
    Sacramento, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Of all the COVID conspiracy theories I've seen, this is the best one yet: Don Garber starting a pandemic in order to shut down cup competitions.
     
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  18. Dan Kohner

    Dan Kohner Member

    DC United
    United States
    Jan 18, 2017
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    I'm under the belief that anything going forward that has Inter Miami and Messi attached to it will have sponsors lining up at the door to sponsor, and of course the stadium going forward will be packed with people trying to get a glimpse of Messi, even if he does not play. You did not see Peacock lining up to show the '22 Open Cup Final did you. It is called the Messi effect.
     
  19. SteveUSSF_ref8

    SteveUSSF_ref8 Member+

    United States
    Oct 25, 2010
    Sun City, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rather pull out of the US Open Cup and since they are invested into the Leagues Cup MLS should consider reducing the regular season from 34 matches to 32 or even 28 matches. This can be accomplished by realignment of the two conferences with three division each with five clubs in each division. Such as:

    EASTERN CONFERENCE
    Northeast Division
    NYCFC
    New York Red Bulls
    CF Montreal
    New England Revolution
    Toronto FC

    Central Division
    Chicago Fire
    DC United
    Columbus Crew
    FC Cincinnati
    Philadelphia Union

    Southeast Division
    Atlanta United
    Charlotte FC
    Inter Miami CF
    Orlando City
    Nashville SC

    WESTERN CONFERENCE
    Northwest Division
    Minnesota United
    Colorado Rapids
    Vancouver Whitecaps
    Portland Timbers
    Seattle Sounders

    Pacific Division
    LAFC
    LA Galaxy
    RSL
    San Diego FC
    San Jose Earthquakes

    Southwest Division
    Austin FC
    Houston Dynamo
    FC Dallas
    Sporting Kansas City
    St. Louis City

    Each club would play everyone within the division twice (28 game schedule) or 3x (32 game schedule) (8 or 12 total) Then play each club from the other divisions within the conference once (10 games). Then play each club from two divisions in the other conference once (10 games).
     
  20. PJ234

    PJ234 Member

    DC united
    United States
    Oct 17, 2021
  21. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
    United States
    Oct 16, 2017
    Wild that USL is willing to situate themselves as a second division league in US Soccer, and MLS still feels threatened by them. I'm not entirely convinced by the authors arguments that MLS is frightened by USL clubs successfully developing and selling talent abroad (the author connects Kobi Henry's sale to OCSC getting kicked out of their stadium for an MLS NEXT club, and... idk... maybe?), but I do think that there are enough MBAs suffering from severe cases of "zero-sumitus" in MLS' ownership groups that they view USSF's relationship with MLS as adversarial. This sucks because the ensuing fight will only have one true casualty: lower-leagues soccer...
     
  22. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Source: 2024 U.S. Open Cup gets go-ahead under proposed new format

    https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/39559693/2024-us-open-cup-gets-go-ahead-proposed-new-format


    Couple tidbits:

    The source indicated that complete details are still being ironed out, but the decision to have a tournament in 2024 has been made and what will likely gain final approval is a hybrid type of tournament with not every MLS team participating. The precise level of team participation from MLS and USL clubs is still to be determined.

    The source added that the plan calls for the federation to make its largest financial investment ever to ease the cost of travel and assist with promotion, especially for lower-division teams.

    When asked if he thought MLS was above playing in the Open Cup, Garber said, "What has happened over time is the tournament has not resonated enough with fans and commercial partners and sponsors, and certainly media partners in a way to justify the level of participation that had been required of us in the past. And over time, MLS has come into the tournament at different levels. We've had different numbers of teams, all ways that the league and the federation and the U.S. Open Committee have worked to try to ensure that the tournament is working for everybody."
     
  23. EPJr

    EPJr Member+

    Los Angeles FC
    United States
    Mar 21, 2009
    Richmond VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    After months of uncertainty, US Soccer will announce the format and draw for the 109th edition of the United State’s national championship tomorrow, February 29, or Friday, March 1.
    JUST 8 MLS TEAMS WILL PARTICIPATE
    Only eight teams from MLS will compete in the 2024 Open Cup. Defending US Open Cup champions Houston Dynamo will be joined by the top seven US based-squads from the 2023 Supporters’ Shield standings that are not competing in the CONCACAF Champions Cup: Atlanta United, FC Dallas, LAFC, San Jose Earthquakes, Seattle Sounders, and Sporting Kansas City.

    https://www.hudsonriverblue.com/nyc...AAMeOdnKcCRxX4URdAptp7buL3WjadGgHUuGwGDIeZBtw
     
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  24. PJ234

    PJ234 Member

    DC united
    United States
    Oct 17, 2021
    that sucks for real
     
  25. EPJr

    EPJr Member+

    Los Angeles FC
    United States
    Mar 21, 2009
    Richmond VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The nine teams that finished below San Jose in the standings will be represented by MLS NEXT Pro teams. NYCFC II and RBNY II will be joined by Austin FC II, Chicago Fire FC II, Colorado Rapids 2, Crown Legacy FC, LA Galaxy II, Minnesota United FC 2, and Portland Timbers 2. The reserve teams will be joined by the two independent MLS NEXT Pro teams, Carolina Core FC and Chattanooga FC.

    https://www.hudsonriverblue.com/nyc...AAMeOdnKcCRxX4URdAptp7buL3WjadGgHUuGwGDIeZ
     

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