Should MLS follow a Winter or Summer Schedule?

Discussion in 'MLS: Commissioner - You be The Don' started by Khkevin, Aug 5, 2014.

  1. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, I agree it would not be easy, or cheap to put a roof on the cold weather club's stadiums, just that MLS will really need to account for it as a result of this calendar change.

    As far as BC places retractable roof, here's a video of it closing for anyone that hasn't seen it. It, again, would not be cheap or easy to add to existing stadiums (and it wasn't for BC Place either), but it is an option I think cold weather clubs will consider over having a dome, or just a partial roof like Red Bull Arena and others have.

     
  2. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Anyone who can spare $800 million can have one just like BC Place.
     
  3. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That $800 million went to a lot more than just the roof.
     
  4. NorthBank

    NorthBank Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm not sure I'd not say that RBA* has a "partial roof", I would say that the stands are covered. All the rain & snow can still come down onto the field and the lower rows of the lower tier. But if they were wanting to make that stadium more insulated from nasty winter weather, it has one advantage over a place like Toronto... it is one big contiguous oval-ish construction, without any big gaps to the outside, except some air flow at the very top of the seats.

    *I like how you called it RBA and not its new name, of a once-legendary publisher. I only felt comfy calling it RBA because the team is actually known as the Red Bulls, but I'm right on the edge, considering who owns them. I'm determined to not use its new name, as I have virtually never called Arsenal Stadium by it's sponsor's name since it's opening nearly 20 years ago. For that, I say "Ashburton Grove" or "The Grove". And for RBA I often just said "Harrison"
     
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  5. NorthBank

    NorthBank Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Also, another challenge is going to be the grass. I'm not sure how equipped all the MLS pitches are with undersoil heating, etc. They would do well to take a lesson from what English clubs have done in the last 10-20 years, but then again their climate is warmer, less snowy than what northern USA & lower CAN experiences.

    I'm still thinking it's worth a good try. Presumably Garber et al have got their eyes wide open about the challenges, and will have good plans for mitigating those.
     
  6. Yoshou

    Yoshou Fan of the CCL Champ

    May 12, 2009
    Seattle
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, it's not a full roof, so partial works? Heh. Regardless. You are 100% correct. Cold weather clubs will have to modify their stadium (some more than others) to account for the cold games and/or their fans will have to adjust to going to cold games (or not).

    I somehow missed that RBA changed its name. :)
     
  7. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    I am pretty sure if MLS has been looking at this for a couple years, they have done their homework.
    Their numbers said do it, so they did it.
     
  8. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'll give an example. I went to college in the Adirondack Mountains in Northern New York State. 25+ years ago (GD I'm getting OLD!!!) it was normal for the HIGH temperature to not get above zero from late January to mid/late February. There we weeks where the LOE yemperature was -30F. With highs in the single negative digits. Fast forward to present day, this is no longer the case there. Sure it's still cold that time of year, however, the average temps (highs and lows) are significantly warmer today then they were 25-30 years ago.

    https://www.paulsmiths.edu/wp-content/uploads/2025/03/REPORTNo.1ADIRONDACKCLIMATE2024.pdf

    I grew up just outside of Syracuse, ny. It was common growing up to get between 100"-130" of snow each winter. Nowadays it's more like 75" each winter. With snow events followed by thaw events. Instead of snow just piling up until spring.

    I've lived outside of Philly for the past 20 years, and it's been probably a decade since we have had a significant snow event. It rarely snows here (I'm not complaining just making an observation).

    You're both right. My armchair observations: it looks like the midwest is colder and snowier in the winter, and some of the "northern south east" states are colder, wetter, and snowier in the winter now. The Northeast is warmer and wetter, with less snow. The extreme events are more extreme. The Philly area has had as many Tornadoes in the past few years than they had in previous 50 years combined. Winters are shorter now, or at least they seem shorter. We see more days in the Fall with high temps in the range of 80-90 degrees than in the past. The West, specifically CA, WA, OR are seeing more extreme weather events than I remember from my younger days.
     
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  9. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Agree with almost all of this /\
    This is why the league needs to take SUMMER into consideration just as much as WINTER.
    The players prefer cool/cold (not frigid), but I don't know many prefer 100 degrees+ humid + water breaks etc.
    Fans of course are a different issue.
    Good fans of the game and their team will adjust.
    The league just needs to work on minimizing the extremes.

    The sad part is, I really dislike the Leagues Cup. I know MLS thinks it's important.
    But dropping that tournament and a rearranged playoff format (not dragged out over weeks) should also make for more flexibility in the scheduling. The league really hasn't said what they are doing, but I am prepared for yet
    another weird schedule to accommodate all these various games.
     
  10. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The playoffs are dragged out because a. of the FIFA break and b. to give every team a home match, though I think that's just a consequence of a.

    The playoffs could over with in 3 weeks without an international break.
     
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  11. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    USL had the proper playoff- 16 teams, 4 rounds , highest seed home to the end
    Final is next week and closes out the year before Thanksgiving.
     
  12. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yup just perfect..... played through the international window like a proper first division league too!
     
  13. NorthBank

    NorthBank Moderator
    Staff Member

    Arsenal; NYRB
    United States
    Mar 29, 2006
    Connecticut
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You mean proper second division team?
     
  14. canammj

    canammj Member+

    Aug 25, 2004
    CHINO, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    I don't think they have quite the same problem with that :unsure:
    Would love to know if there are stats out there how many players from USL-C and USL-1 for that matter get calls to their respective national teams say compared to MLS.
    What little media I see of USL it almost seems like a major deal when one of their players gets a call up.
     
  15. Paul Berry

    Paul Berry Member+

    Notts County and NYCFC
    United States
    Apr 18, 2015
    Nr Kingston NY
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Teams in the lower leagues in Europe can ask to sit out the international break if they have too many players called up. Notts County sat out the October break because we had 4 first teamers called up but not the November one.

    Haiti had 4 USL players in their most recent squad, Guatemala 2, and I'm not going to go through the rest.
     
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  16. JDogindy

    JDogindy Member

    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Indy Eleven
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    During the summer, only competition is baseball (which is going to be in arbitrary hell in 2027, and would have left a void), racing (which largely doesn't have a lot of overlap unless it's Formula One), and the WNBA, which is starting to get an audience at last. The fall to winter schedule is much more compact with established sports.
     
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