Should I try to get my kid exposure in midfield?

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  1. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

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    It sounds like playing midfield in club is the way to go based on your experience. Because then from there you can play anywhere.
     
  2. NewDadaCoach

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    @MySonsPlay @bigredfutbol
    so are you saying i should not worry about it, and let my kid continue to only play forward?

    i'm worried that he will fall too far behind other kids in midfield skills, and then it will be too late to catch up.
     
  3. bigredfutbol

    bigredfutbol Moderator
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    Sep 5, 2000
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    I really don't know what your position in the club is nor how things work with the coach.

    When I was a club parent, I had no real say in where the coach put my son so given that you seem to have the leverage to decide these things, I'm not sure I have any advice--your situation seems very different.
     
  4. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

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    I don't have any leverage either. I can only voice my opinion to the coach. Normally I would remain quiet but it is eating away at me and I think its a reasonable thing to wonder if/when my kid will get exposure to other positions. Out coach is open to feedback, so its not as big of a deal as it might seem, at least I think.
    I was quiet about it for 3+ years.
    But now looking forward. MLS Next starts at U13... that is in 1.5 years.

    If he only continues to play forward, will it be too late to start playing midfield at U13, when you already have these highly developed midfielders at that time that he will have to go against in try outs? Do you see what I'm saying?

    My worry is he will continue to get pigeonholed into a position that would not be his best position long-term. But by the time he figures that out (if left on his own) then he will be far behind others in his peer group.
     
  5. NewDadaCoach

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    I'm going by the theory that midfielders can move to other positions later in life. But not vice versa. Can a forward or a defender move to midfielder at U17? Maybe its possible, but it would seem difficult to jump into a very competitive environment into midfield as it would require a big adjustment.
     
  6. MySonsPlay

    MySonsPlay Member

    Liverpool FC
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    Oct 10, 2017
    I sure the heck would not have worried about it. But my concerns at that age for my sons were vastly different than yours.
    My oldest started competitive soccer at U10, after a couple of years of rec he wanted more so we had him tryout for a newly formed club. He was invited to play on the top U10 team. We quickly realized as the coaches did, he was not ready. The team won the state cup and my son saw limited time over the last part of the season. He almost quit soccer, we requested that he be moved to the second team for the next season. The coaches and club were going to move him down. This was the best thing that happened. The second team coach gave him the chance he needed and he developed both technically, in confidence, and his love for the game was formed.

    My youngest, started club soccer early at U8. He was more like your son, loved to play up top and out on the wing. When he played defense, it was usually at left back ( he is left foot dominate), but he always found away to get forward. I can not tell you how many CBs & DMs he left out to dry.
    He never played as a central or defensive midfielder or CB. It was not until his sophomore year in high school that his club coach gave him free rein as a left back. the team basically played with 3 in the back and overloaded on the left side up top. He has learned to defend and his work rate was high but he was fortunate the coach wanted him to attack. He really started to love the game, who would not.

    Develop the skills, develop the work habits and develop the desire, the position and playing time will take care of themselves
     
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  7. NewDadaCoach

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    I think my plan for now is to train him outside the club in both winger and midfielder.
     
  8. gumballhead

    gumballhead New Member

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    Jun 3, 2024
    All the 2008's are playing up a year at academies. Just Saying. I like the make him a defender idea
     
  9. NewDadaCoach

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    There was only 2 playing up on this team until this year. Now there is 4 I believe. Most are playing in their age group.
    The 2 news ones are on the national team.
    The other one's older bro is pro already (has been for a few years).
     
  10. gumballhead

    gumballhead New Member

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    The MLS academies is what i meant. They currently do not have a 2008 teams except Philly and LAFC. The Non MLS MLSNext teams have teams at every age because they like the money.
     
  11. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

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    Oh I think I understand. This kid has been playing up a long time though. So he was playing up at U14, 15, 16, etc.
     
  12. CaliforniaSoccerDad

    Mar 29, 2022
    California
    I know a small part of you just want to stir up the pot which I don't blame you. I'm entertained by it and others' responses to you. :p

    So I'm just going to answer the question concisely:
    Yea, I think playing some midfield helps in development and usually the "best players" in youth come through central midfield a lot... not always but they're on the ball a lot so they stick a kid in there with good ball skills, good soccer IQ and passing skills, and good dribbling.

    Longer answer:
    I think exposing him to all positions helps in development. I think this only happens as a theory though. It happens to some degree but no team has a kid play 10% in each of the 10 non-goalie positions in a 11v11 for example. It just doesn't happen and it's impractical. No, don't tell me that happens in Europe and South America. It doesn't either. Kids specialize early. Happens in club teams at U11 here in the US. Happens at MLS academy at U13. Happens at Dortmund at U12. It just happens. There will be exceptions but I'm just saying in general.

    Now having said this, my kid's so used to only playing central midfield positions (6, 8, 10 - and he does get moved about in the midfield depending on the need) that I do think it's helpful when sometimes he's lined up as a wingback or a CF.

    I coach a team (outside of his usual club team) with a collection of his friends from a few different clubs and play in a Sunday league type league so I am able to play him in different positions to give him exposures at positions he normally doesn't play on his club team. He sucks playing at CB but I still play him there cause I think seeing the field from there will help him playing the midfield too.

    So yea, if you can get him playing in pick up games, informal games, scrimmages, Sunday leagues, Hispanic games, futsal, and expose him playing in different positions and atmospheres, it only benefits.
     
  13. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    Any one else remember OP bragging about how many goals his son was scoring and wondering if he should give those stats to a new coach? And now he's complaining because he son wants to be a forward and score

    Speaking as someone whose son was pigeon holed as CB since U10, I agree it's beneficial to have kids experience multiple positions, INCLUDING goalie.

    I disagree (as is normal) with HOW the OP wants to try to accomplish things. "I'm pulling you from the team unless you play midfield"? Sorry, just no.

    FWIW, after a couple of bad games this year, DS got moved to LB, spent two games "getting his legs under him", then excelled. So yes, they can learn new position responsibilities late. Not ideal, I agree, but not impossible.
     
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  14. NewDadaCoach

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    Mars
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    He's played enough forward. He doesn't need to score anymore. He needs to learn to play center mid. Every kid does frankly, between say ages 8-12. Then they can specialize.
     
  15. NewDadaCoach

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    Tottenham Hotspur
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    Sep 28, 2019
    Mars
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    I really want to pull him from this team because the coach won't play him in center mid, even for 5 minutes.

    But, my son just likes being on this team so much. He would fight me tooth and nail.

    For his development, I know its best to be with a coach who will challenge him in new positions. But this one refuses to do so. I just don't get it.

    I guess the next step is to bring it up to the boys director. (the head of all the boys coaches)

    Coach literally said at beginning of season that his job is not to win games, its to challenge the boys and put them in different positions. Yet now all he cares about is winning. I feel like the coach makes it all about him. He cares a lot about the win/loss record.
     
  16. NewDadaCoach

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    The coach is not developing the kids enough. He should be doing build-out-of-the back drills, but hardly does. This is a big component of learning soccer this day and age. Should be teaching team passing patterns, like overlaps and crossing. Am I wrong?
    The is the age where they need to be getting ready for the next stage.
    He plays a bit too much long ball.
     
  17. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    As I, and I think others have told you in the past, it might be better if you get your coaching license and take over a team and put your son on it.

    Not a single person has said it's a bad idea to have him play other positions. We disagree with your methods. This has been going on for years.

    So, assuming you don't want to coach, first, convince your son to try another position. Then have HIM talk to the coach. If he wants you beside him for moral support, that's fine, but you should keep your mouth shut. Yes, ai know that's difficult.

    This is not about soccer, but about teaching your son to ask for what he wants and being able to verbalize that. THAT skill will benefit him the rest of his life, more so than anything that will be learned on a pitch, diamond, field, or court.
     
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  18. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

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    @sam_gordon
    i could get my coaching license, but is that really necessary just to get my kid exposure to other positions? feels like that shouldn't be necessary. I pay the club dues, which is not cheap.

    idk, i'm about ready to just give up. maybe embrace winger for him and have him do 10,000 scissors and he'll be the best at it in the whole world.
    train him at nothing but left wing and right wing. cut in and shoot with either foot.

    i feel like everything is against me. sigh

    maybe it would be better just to "go with the flow"

    go back to lots of 1v1s. make him the best at it.

    then when try outs are there, he'll at least stand out in his 1v1s.
     
  19. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

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    Mars
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    hmm now i'm thinking, train him 80% at winger, and 20% at midfield (on our own).

    midfield, if you have the skills, is pretty easy. scan, receive the ball well, shield, pass. we'll keep working that... 20% of the time.

    then embrace winger and do that 80% of the time.

    maybe that's the way forward.
     
  20. Ach0311

    Ach0311 New Member

    Jul 30, 2024
    I always find it funny that parents think kids need to play certain positions in the games to develop for those positions. If a kid plays enough pick up games and isn’t stupid, he will already know how to play different positions.
    As kids get older, coaches don’t waste their fast kids in the midfield. They would rather have slow kids that can handle the ball in the middle and keep the fast kids out in the wings.
    Now if you are a winger and aren’t dumb and take stupid chances, you should be able to transition to midfield effectively. A winger can already dribble the day light out of defenders. A winger can already defend. All you need is just pass the ball quickly. But some kids are not that bright and those are the ones who have trouble in the midfield.
     
  21. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

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    The thing is, my kid can play anywhere. He has played a lot of pickup games too.

    Probably his best position would be midfield. Since, even as you say, it is for slow kids who can handle the ball. He is not slow, nor super fast. But he moves the ball and doesn't lose it. He puts the dribblers in midfield and they lose the ball often. I don't get it. I think its because they have a good work rate and he likes that. But he is always shaking his head at them when they lose the ball. Yet he still puts them there.

    The kids he has in midfield should be on the wing where they have more freedom to dribble. The kids who can control the ball and move it in 2 or 3 touches, put them in midfield. i mean, isn't that how 99% of soccer teams are structured. i watch a lot of soccer
     
  22. Ach0311

    Ach0311 New Member

    Jul 30, 2024
    If your kid excels in one particular position, he is likely to get stuck there. A lot of CBs get this. Sounds like your son is excellent up top and the main scorer. If he doesn’t put much effort in defending, he will get labeled as a scorer and not get many minutes else where. Perhaps you can ask him to try harder in defense during practice therefore changing the coach’s impression of his defensive work rate.
     
  23. saltysoccer

    saltysoccer Member

    Tottenham Hotspur
    United States
    Mar 6, 2021
    This is an interesting one. I've seen a few cases like this. We have one kid here who was a winger/CM in 7v7, became an CAM in 9v9, then after some coach and team changes, they tried her out at defender. Turns out she was decent at it, and she ends up as permanent CB. Parents kept asking why this kid isn't in midfield with her foot and passing skills, but coach said this her best position and best for the team.

    Fast forward a couple years, kid is getting frustrated of playing D only, changes clubs. Ends up right back in CB. Parents apparently got same explanation from the new coach, but clearly not because the kid can't attack—the coach will move her up top if time is winding down and team is desperate for a goal. There are some benefits. The kid never gets subbed and sees a lot of the ball every game. Don't know if some kids just enjoy those positions more, or they just don't care.
     
  24. sam_gordon

    sam_gordon Member+

    Feb 27, 2017
    Actually, if you don't work at least 27.675% of the time at a new position, you'll never learn it. So you'll need to adjust your training. ;)

    Again, first convince your kid it would be beneficial to play other positions. Then support him going to the coach and requesting it. Threatening to pull him from the team if he doesn't play mid is the WRONG way to do it.
     
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  25. NewDadaCoach

    NewDadaCoach Member+

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    I did convince him.

    it won't matter if he talks to the coach. i already talked to the coach about it.

    the coach has his blind spots. i will have to talk to the higher ups i guess, or maybe just get him the experiences he needs by playing indoor or other leagues outside of our club. idk i'm kinda at a loss. my kid refuses to play on another team, but i know is what's best for him. but he likes his teammates.
     

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