Should Canada Indict Bush for War Crimes?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by Mel Brennan, Nov 16, 2004.

  1. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    by Thomas Walkom

    When U.S. President George W. Bush arrives in Ottawa — probably later this year — should he be welcomed? Or should he be charged with war crimes?

    It's an interesting question. On the face of it, Bush seems a perfect candidate for prosecution under Canada's Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes Act.

    This act was passed in 2000 to bring Canada's ineffectual laws in line with the rules of the new International Criminal Court. While never tested, it lays out sweeping categories under which a foreign leader like Bush could face arrest.

    In particular, it holds that anyone who commits a war crime, even outside Canada, may be prosecuted by our courts. What is a war crime? According to the statute, it is any conduct defined as such by "customary international law" or by conventions that Canada has adopted.

    War crimes also specifically include any breach of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, such as torture, degradation, wilfully depriving prisoners of war of their rights "to a fair and regular trial," launching attacks "in the knowledge that such attacks will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians" and deportation of persons from an area under occupation.

    Outside of one well-publicized (and quickly squelched) attempt in Belgium, no one has tried to formally indict Bush...


    Have fun... ;)
     
  2. 352klr

    352klr Member+

    Jan 29, 2001
    The Burgh of Edin
    Not if they want to have an economy.
     
  3. zverskiy yobar

    zverskiy yobar BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Mar 10, 2002
    not if they want an independent nation...
     
  4. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure, worked well in Belgium. :rolleyes:
     
  5. DoyleG

    DoyleG Member+

    CanPL
    Canada
    Jan 11, 2002
    YEG-->YYJ-->YWG-->YYB
    Club:
    FC Edmonton
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    People getting worked up about writings from The Red Star?

    Sheesh...
     
  6. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    No, Mel is.

    Everyone else is getting worked up by Mel. :D

    I was thinking...I know that is a bad thing, but hear me out.

    Would the Pres sec service even allow anyone to detain the POTUS?
    That would be a nasty showdown, high noon.
     
  7. Coach_McGuirk

    Coach_McGuirk New Member

    Apr 30, 2002
    Between the Pipes
    Good question. A friend of mine works for the Secret Service, and I'll be glad to ask him. (He was on Kerry's detail the last 2 weeks prior to the election, and I've been dying to ask him about the goose hunt, anyway).

    I actually think Canada should indict Bob Goodenow and Gary Bettman for being the two most inflexible human beings on the planet.
     
  8. Karl K

    Karl K Member

    Oct 25, 1999
    Suburban Chicago
    The only reason they would detain Bush would be a leverage for a better exchange rate.

    You know, I am beginning to think Mel is certifiable.
     
  9. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
    Exchange rate?

    This must be the international monetary response to "stadium smack" or "spelling smack" because it always backfires.

    You know, when Mel comes to visit the USA, his Euros make the US seem rather cheap. Yea, crazy like a fox. ;)
     
  10. Coach_McGuirk

    Coach_McGuirk New Member

    Apr 30, 2002
    Between the Pipes
    Got the word back from my friend in the Secret Service (I was going to abbreviate that to "SS" and realized that might open a whole new can of worms).

    Anyway, he told me that, first, if there was any chance at all for an incident like the one described to happen the trip would never leave.

    Secondly, the Secret Service would in no way, shape, or form allow any foreign law enforcement officer to get remotely near enough POTUS to attempt to detain him.
     
  11. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    British Pounds, actually. But the point stands.
     
  12. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Northern Virginia
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I have trouble taking Canada seriously! I mean... this whole northern nation is about one more insult away from becoming the world's largest parking lot! I think we here in the United States need to start pumping our raw sewage north, as Canada seems to have lots of cesspools!
     
  13. Barbara

    Barbara BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 29, 2000
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They can indict him without detaining him, can't they?


    In any event, it ain't happening.
     
  14. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Chicago
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The Secret Service (they need a new name as they're not really secret) vs.
    [​IMG]

    My money's on the guys guarding the president.


    So what was up with the goose hunt?
     
  15. Coach_McGuirk

    Coach_McGuirk New Member

    Apr 30, 2002
    Between the Pipes
    Funny you should mention that. He was there, and he told me he'd let me know about it after he gets back from "Thanksgiving in Crawford". He's on the perimeter detail for the ranch, but this will be his first time assigned to anything having to do with the President. He's too far down the pecking order to be considered for Bush's personal detail so he's actually looking forward to it.

    A funny aside: my friend is a HUGE Red Sox fan, and he was in the hallway when Kerry came out of his hotel room to "high five" his secret service guys, but he missed my friend! Not missed him as in "missed his hand", but missed him as in "he gave everyone else one but me".
     
  16. servotron

    servotron New Member

    Mar 4, 2004
    St Paul, MN
    That's it....obviously our neighbors to the north are not very patriotic. I say we force the UN to change Canada's name to Al-Qanada, and then we let the nukes fly.
     
  17. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Of course, this is meant as a cheap attack on the US president, but at face value it brings up a fair question. Can a country like Canada legaly arrest and charge a foreign leader? Lets say, for example, that Kim Jon Il goes to Canada. Would it be fair to arrest him for crimes against humanity? And, would it be legal under international law?
     
  18. Mel Brennan

    Mel Brennan PLANITARCHIS' BANE

    Paris Saint Germain
    United States
    Apr 8, 2002
    Baltimore
    Club:
    Paris Saint Germain FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The article says - at least under Canadian law - no, but I thought it pretty funny anyway.
     
  19. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hanover
    Club:
    Hannover 96
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands

    If he's searched by the international court and CA would turn him over it would be legal...
     
  20. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
    Northern Virginia
    Club:
    Blackburn Rovers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I like that! Al-Qanada... fitting and appropriate!
     
  21. Kappa18

    Kappa18 New Member

    Aug 9, 2002
    Toronto, Canada
    Club:
    Beitar Jerusalem FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Israel
    Canada acted in excessive force in Serbia and Somalia. Even tortured civilians in Somalia itself. Yet, the soldiers got a hero's welcome home in there CFB's....aren't they under the ACT of crimes gainst humanity?
     
  22. 96Squig

    96Squig Member

    Feb 4, 2004
    Hanover
    Club:
    Hannover 96
    Nat'l Team:
    Netherlands
    Well, why should Canadaians act like it'd seem patriotic to you? patriotic in your terms means that they do what is best for them, not what is best for the US...
    btw, beeing patriotic would be considered something bad here in germany, I am proud to call me not patriotic as I don't put Germany above other countries in my mind...
    I've seen lists of what would be essential for world-peace saying: abolishing patrioticy...
     
  23. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i didn't read the original post.

    but if the Hague, the US Congress, the Supreme Court or the American people don't indict Bush for War Crimes, then the Canadians should. why not? he's a criminal after all...
     
  24. BadReligion

    BadReligion New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Washington, DC
    I think the secret service could pretty much fend off Canada's military in its entirety. In the event that the Canuckle heads tried to detain our leader, we would just take him back.
     
  25. Coach_McGuirk

    Coach_McGuirk New Member

    Apr 30, 2002
    Between the Pipes
    A better question to ask is "Who's leg do I have to hump around here to get Mel indicted?".

    "What's the charge, officer?"

    "Unlawful use of 'Cut & Paste', Posting 50 articles day in a '35 articles or less' area, and a reckless endangerment of my brain by use of periodicals that may or may not be made up."

    :rolleyes:
     

Share This Page