by Thomas Walkom When U.S. President George W. Bush arrives in Ottawa — probably later this year — should he be welcomed? Or should he be charged with war crimes? It's an interesting question. On the face of it, Bush seems a perfect candidate for prosecution under Canada's Crimes against Humanity and War Crimes Act. This act was passed in 2000 to bring Canada's ineffectual laws in line with the rules of the new International Criminal Court. While never tested, it lays out sweeping categories under which a foreign leader like Bush could face arrest. In particular, it holds that anyone who commits a war crime, even outside Canada, may be prosecuted by our courts. What is a war crime? According to the statute, it is any conduct defined as such by "customary international law" or by conventions that Canada has adopted. War crimes also specifically include any breach of the 1949 Geneva Conventions, such as torture, degradation, wilfully depriving prisoners of war of their rights "to a fair and regular trial," launching attacks "in the knowledge that such attacks will cause incidental loss of life or injury to civilians" and deportation of persons from an area under occupation. Outside of one well-publicized (and quickly squelched) attempt in Belgium, no one has tried to formally indict Bush... Have fun...
No, Mel is. Everyone else is getting worked up by Mel. I was thinking...I know that is a bad thing, but hear me out. Would the Pres sec service even allow anyone to detain the POTUS? That would be a nasty showdown, high noon.
Good question. A friend of mine works for the Secret Service, and I'll be glad to ask him. (He was on Kerry's detail the last 2 weeks prior to the election, and I've been dying to ask him about the goose hunt, anyway). I actually think Canada should indict Bob Goodenow and Gary Bettman for being the two most inflexible human beings on the planet.
The only reason they would detain Bush would be a leverage for a better exchange rate. You know, I am beginning to think Mel is certifiable.
Exchange rate? This must be the international monetary response to "stadium smack" or "spelling smack" because it always backfires. You know, when Mel comes to visit the USA, his Euros make the US seem rather cheap. Yea, crazy like a fox.
Got the word back from my friend in the Secret Service (I was going to abbreviate that to "SS" and realized that might open a whole new can of worms). Anyway, he told me that, first, if there was any chance at all for an incident like the one described to happen the trip would never leave. Secondly, the Secret Service would in no way, shape, or form allow any foreign law enforcement officer to get remotely near enough POTUS to attempt to detain him.
I have trouble taking Canada seriously! I mean... this whole northern nation is about one more insult away from becoming the world's largest parking lot! I think we here in the United States need to start pumping our raw sewage north, as Canada seems to have lots of cesspools!
The Secret Service (they need a new name as they're not really secret) vs. My money's on the guys guarding the president. So what was up with the goose hunt?
Funny you should mention that. He was there, and he told me he'd let me know about it after he gets back from "Thanksgiving in Crawford". He's on the perimeter detail for the ranch, but this will be his first time assigned to anything having to do with the President. He's too far down the pecking order to be considered for Bush's personal detail so he's actually looking forward to it. A funny aside: my friend is a HUGE Red Sox fan, and he was in the hallway when Kerry came out of his hotel room to "high five" his secret service guys, but he missed my friend! Not missed him as in "missed his hand", but missed him as in "he gave everyone else one but me".
That's it....obviously our neighbors to the north are not very patriotic. I say we force the UN to change Canada's name to Al-Qanada, and then we let the nukes fly.
Of course, this is meant as a cheap attack on the US president, but at face value it brings up a fair question. Can a country like Canada legaly arrest and charge a foreign leader? Lets say, for example, that Kim Jon Il goes to Canada. Would it be fair to arrest him for crimes against humanity? And, would it be legal under international law?
Canada acted in excessive force in Serbia and Somalia. Even tortured civilians in Somalia itself. Yet, the soldiers got a hero's welcome home in there CFB's....aren't they under the ACT of crimes gainst humanity?
Well, why should Canadaians act like it'd seem patriotic to you? patriotic in your terms means that they do what is best for them, not what is best for the US... btw, beeing patriotic would be considered something bad here in germany, I am proud to call me not patriotic as I don't put Germany above other countries in my mind... I've seen lists of what would be essential for world-peace saying: abolishing patrioticy...
i didn't read the original post. but if the Hague, the US Congress, the Supreme Court or the American people don't indict Bush for War Crimes, then the Canadians should. why not? he's a criminal after all...
I think the secret service could pretty much fend off Canada's military in its entirety. In the event that the Canuckle heads tried to detain our leader, we would just take him back.
A better question to ask is "Who's leg do I have to hump around here to get Mel indicted?". "What's the charge, officer?" "Unlawful use of 'Cut & Paste', Posting 50 articles day in a '35 articles or less' area, and a reckless endangerment of my brain by use of periodicals that may or may not be made up."