Shots fired at trump PA rally

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  1. The Devil's Architect

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    1812574427718037971 is not a valid tweet id
     
  2. soccernutter

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    Fair enough, and apology accepted.
     
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  3. soccernutter

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    Source that.
     
  4. soccernutter

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    Stop with the conspiracies. Keep them on X, where they belong.
     
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  5. roadkit

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    "Back, and to the left...Back, and to the left."
     
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  6. JamesA

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  7. Deadtigers

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    That is why it is fake. We saw him the last time the Service rushed the stage and he was less defiant. Also watch the Service with Reagan and see if the let him show his face and torso? They missed one gunman and somehow cleared the place enough for them to not pile on top of him and make sure he didn't raise his head and torso in case there was a second shooter. I am not sold.
     
  8. luftmensch

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    It's now being reported more widely.

    https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/what-we-know-about-the-20-year-old-suspect-in-the-19572931.php
     
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  9. Kryptonite

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  10. luftmensch

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    What gets me is they were aware enough about somebody on the roof to have a cop check it out, and snipers ready to take him out, but the snipers didn't maybe focus on him BEFORE having somebody climb a freaking ladder to see if he was armed?
     
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  11. Smurfquake

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    Those movements need a leader with the right skill set to take power. Hitler was the guy in Germany. Goebbels, Himmler, etc. couldn't have become Germany's dictator because they were ********ing weird. Hitler took power and enabled those guys to do awful things.

    And I would argue that Mussolini and Franco were less evil than Hitler. Italy and Spain didn't organize a systemic countrywide genocide of Jews. That doesn't mean they were somehow OK but there are degrees of bad, and Hitler was worse.

    Those guys can't get power without someone like Trump who can win the Presidency. It's not clear to me that a Republican can win the Presidency unless they're Donald Trump - every other Republican leader is weird and off-putting (as Kazuma puts it) and they don't get people to come out to vote the way Trump does. Because the Republican party has become a cult of personality. I'm kind of making a circular argument here - Trump is successful because he's Trump and I believe that success cannot be replicated for anyone who's not Trump. We haven't tested a non-Trump Republican in a Presidential race since 2016 so we can't say for certain that some other Republican can win the Presidency, but the performance of everyone who challenged Trump in the primaries shows that they can't accomplish anything close to Trump's agenda without being Trump.
     
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  12. DoyleG

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    How to properly source (unlike some others).

    https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/14/politics/local-officer-tried-stop-gunman-trump/index.html

    So, the fact the man had a gun was noted until the officer got up onto the roof and the gunman turned his weapon towards the officer. The officer takes cover, and the gunman decides to fire then as his opportunity was slipping.
     
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  13. bballshawn

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    I agree, but we are worse because the left couldn't take a loss and decided to make up russiagate and say that Trump's existence is existential to the country.
    Again I agree he causes TDS.

    There is a reason that conviction did nothing in the polls and it is because a majority of people realize it was political.
    Also you made my point to my reply to another poster above.

    We will get complete data after November I'm sure.

    Didn't know local news counted as mainstream media.

    I do not support him and he sounds like a dolt. I actually am very pro lgbt
     
  14. ceezmad

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    Many Republicans have said trump is a danger to democracy, including many that served in his cabinet.

    So 2 things don't have to be mutually exclusive, TDS is a thing and Trump is a danger to our democratic institutions.

    https://apnews.com/article/former-trump-officials-criticize-2024-e202861911ab37cadfcf058b5b163fb9
     
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  15. taosjohn

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    The problem with that approach is that plenty of the conspiracies in this nation's history were real:
    The Sons of Liberty
    The Burr Cabal
    The Copperheads
    The Booth Conspiracy
    The Attempt on Grant's life (foiled by Edwin Booth, who was actually a good actor in both senses.)
    The Haymarket bombing-- wrong people seem to have been tried, but somebody did it.
    The Stunenburg bombing
    The LA Times bombing
    The effort to overturn FDR's administration
    The attack on Truman's temporary residence
    9/11

    And so on-- there's plenty of reason to think sometimes it is true.
     
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  16. Quakes05

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    which 9/11 conspiracy theory was real?
     
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  17. Quakes05

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    We have lots of pictures of those dramatic seconds, you really think they’re all fake?
     
  18. Deadtigers

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    It just doesn't look like something that any security person would allow to happen. It makes no sense
     
  19. Quakes05

    Quakes05 Member+

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    There are probably always gaps or blind spots and vulnerabilities when it comes to securing an area like this. This nutter found one and exploited it.

    As the speaker said (who was sounding a responsible message of pulling together as a country in the face of this, this morning) Congress has to hold SS to account.
     
  20. ceezmad

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    Plus there are places that won't rent to Trump because he doesn't pay his bills.

    So it would not surprise me if some of these events are badly organized and the S.S. just has to roll with them with out being able to do pre safety checks.
     
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  21. luftmensch

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    A 20-year-old kid with no military experience found a gap in the security and exploited it. It’s frickin embarrassing at best, incredibly suspicious at worst.
     
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  22. Deadtigers

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    No I mean the first and photo. Look at when they tried to shot Reagan. The service completely covered him. It is very poor job by them to let him expose himself if there was a second shooter. It just makes.
     
  23. Sounders78

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    To be honest, if I was secret service in charge of protecting him, I'd probably not do my best work. [I know that is disrespectful to them, given they are professionals and are willing to put their life at risk, I'm just saying that I personally wouldn't be willing to sacrifice my life to save his. Clearly they are better people than I am.]
     
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  24. Quakes05

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    No doubt it was a very bad day for the secret service who absolutely failed and were extremely lucky he survived. I don’t see any reason to believe this kid was anything other than a lone actor.
     
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  25. Deadtigers

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    Dead men tale no tales. So we won't know who put him up to it.
     

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