Shifting Landscape - US Club v. US Youth Soccer - Help!

Discussion in 'Youth & HS Soccer' started by Bora Fan, Jul 30, 2012.

  1. Bora Fan

    Bora Fan Member

    Dec 14, 1998
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looking for some thoughts on where things are now between US Club and US Youth Soccer.

    Saw this interesting presentation on the internet that shows that US YS has at the very least acknowledged the changing landscape and in particular the needs of elite players.

    http://www.georgiasoccer.org/UserFi...ions/Integrated National League Structure.pdf

    Wonder - what folks think is in store for the future. . . can we realistically have two competing organizations serving the same market - maybe that is great and it will be even better - but on the other hand wonder if one group would be better to focus on broader engagement of the masses and the other focused on developing the elite players that come out of the pool.
     
  2. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    That is pretty much what we have now. Development Academy and Pre Academy teams run through US Club, I believe that the ECNL is through US Club ...
     
  3. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    When did US club start?
     
  4. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    A quick google tells me that it started in 2000. They offer a system to administer leagues without having to go through USYS. Now, US Club does not qualify you to advance to regionals/nationals as far as the traditional club structure. But as I said, the Development Academy, Pre Academy's in most states that have them, and I believe the ECNL are all organized through US Club as I understand it, and are the highest level of play around.
     
  5. y.o.n.k.o

    y.o.n.k.o Member

    Jan 12, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Development Academy runs through USSF. The rest is correct.
     
  6. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yes, it just started by some guys looking to make a buck. Well you understand wrong. Their tournaments don't have any established clubs in them. My suspicious mind thinks you might work for them. I may have pants older then that group.
     
  7. UofIneedssoccer

    Nov 3, 2009
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    My understanding is that the clubs have a bigger input on how things a run. Illinois is a prime example of how the IYSA is no longer the choice among the elite clubs ( if we believe there are elite clubs) . The Fire and Sockers no longer partcipate in the IYSA. I would think that this will be the last year for the Magic. It will be interesting what happans in the future if the USSf comes down on these clubs DA's for not partcipating in the IYSA state tournement
     
  8. FIRETILIDIE

    FIRETILIDIE Member

    Jan 5, 2007
    Yeah Chicago Fire,Magic,Sockers,Dallas Texans,Scott Gallagher, etc... they arent established clubs? The DA clubs are in US Club soccer as well as other bigger clubs in the midwest & east coast as well as the rest of the country. Lots of clubs did both this year with a watered down USYS playoffs and a US club national format. While there are clubs all over the USA in both organizations it is a bit regional. On the girls side the ECNL (US Club) is the biggest and best and they are working on doing it with the boys by forming leagues with top clubs. MRL took a hit from the formation of the NPL.
     
  9. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yep, ECNL is the top league for girls, and it is run through US Club. The DA clubs in many areas of the country are starting up Pre-Academy leagues to put their best teams in which mirror the DA academy season. Every DA club in Texas for instance takes part in the TEPAL, Texas Pre Acadmy League. Run through US Club soccer.

    To the conspiracy theorist in the tin foil hat, no I'm not related to US Club. My oldest son just graduated from a DA club, and my youngest son is on one of those Pre Academy teams.
     
  10. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Our youth league started in 1934. when did that US club league start ECNL?
     
  11. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Tell me which clubs are in it on the east coast?
     
  12. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I must of missed it what clubs are in the under 19 age group?
     
  13. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I don't care when your league started, or when ECNL did. ECNL is the top 74 girls clubs across the entire nation putting together their best team U14 and above and playing exclusively year long in a regional/national league against each other. The best of the best of the best. And it is run through US Club soccer.

    Likewise the DA system - yes it is a USSF league, but unless I am mistaken, the players are registered with US Club. That is the best boys' programs nation wide playing exclusively in a regional/national league at U15-16 and above.

    Then a great many, if not most of those DA clubs have formed regional pre-academy leagues for their best players in the U11-15 age range, and they play in regional leagues, administered through US Club soccer.

    Now all, or at least the vast majority of the above clubs play their lower teams through USYS still ... but their best teams are playing in regional leagues organized through US Club soccer.
     
  14. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    I looked at their site it does not look like they have any teams in an Under 19 division. Am I wrong about that?
     
  15. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I believe that you are correct. I'm not an expert on the girls' side though, although I am knowledgable. My daughter quit for cheerleading a couple of years ago so I am much more involved on the boy's side where my sons play/played DA/PA soccer.
     
  16. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    On the boys' side, the DA clubs for the east coast are broken up into three divisions:
    Northeast division: Albertson SC (NY), Empire United (NY), FC Greater Boston (MA), FC Westchester (NY), Met Oval (NY), Montreal Impact, NE Revolution, NY Red Bulls, NY Cosmos Academy, Oakwood Soccer Club (Conn.), Seacoast United (NH), South Central Premier (Conn)
    Atlantic division: Baltimore Bays (MD), DC United, FC Delco (PA), Match Fit Chelsea (NJ), McLean Youth Soccer (VA), PA Classics (PA), Players Development Academy (NJ), Potomoc (MD), NJSA 04 (NJ), Richmond Kickers (VA), Richmond Strikers (VA), Virginia Rush
    Southeast Division: CASL Chelsea (NC), Charlotte Soccer Academy (NC), Clearwater Chargers (FL), Concorde Fire (GA), IMG Soccer Academy (FL), Kendall SC (FL), North Carolina Fusion, North Meck SC (NC), Orlando City (FL), South Carolina United Battery, Weston FC (FL)
     
  17. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    On the northeast division. Thats not many clubs is it? This is my guess it is another league besides the main league that these teams normally play in. Then it makes sense. On met oval there is a well known club that is also maybe the best club in NYC that play there. It Is BW Gottchie a great club there not in it. Unless some of their players are in it under The met oval team name.

    On not having an under 19 teams. They must be playing in other longer established leagues.

    Any way thanks for the information. One of those clubs is in NY Long Island the major league there us the long island junior soccer league.

    Years ago some Long island coaches took the best players in Long Island and made an all-star team 2 teams under 19.

    long island would not let them play in their league. So they played in NYC in our youth league we let any team play here even from outside of NYC.

    maybe that long island was made up of players like that who wanted to play together so they came to the US club league. That also makes sense to me.

    Best regards
     
  18. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The Development Academy League is intended to be the best of the best playing one another. There are two age brackets, U15/U16 and U17/U18. These teams play a 10 month schedule, exclusively playing within the regional leagues such as I posted above.

    The DA started 5 years ago, and has been evolving. There is a lot of oversight by US Soccer, such that scouts and other officials inspect the clubs, observe practices, and even prepare report cards for each club, rating their performance in many areas such as player development, training, style of play, facilities, sportsmanship, financial stability, etc, etc.

    This is intended to be the league for the best players in the nation. For instance, of the U17 USNT that competed in last year's U17 world cup: 21 players on the roster, 2 played for profesional teams, 4 were from non DA teams and 15 of them were members of DA teams. Of the current U18 USNT squad, there are 33 players on the roster. 4 play for professional clubs, 1 is from a non-DA team, and 28 play on DA teams. The best players in the nation almost exclusively play DA now.
     
  19. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Do they keep standings. In other leagues like this they did not surprisingly.

    How much is it for a team to play in it? It should be an inventational right? Meaning not any team that wants to be in it can be in it.
     
  20. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The league website is here and has standings
    http://academy.demosphere.com/

    The divisions I posted are newly organised for this coming season, so last years' standings will have slightly different divisions.

    You are correct a team can not just gain entry, and individual teams never are. A club can apply for membership, must meet requirements, have a proven track record, and be granted admission. As I said there is a large ammount of oversight and requirements even once you are a part, and for instance there is a club in Texas on probation currently and could lose its spot.

    I'm not sure the cost to each team, but the player fees are generally lower than normal club teams, and in many cases the teams are no cost to the players. This is heavily guided by the USSF trying to drive forward elite player development in this country.
     
  21. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    NNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!



    You need a new daughter :eek:
     
  22. nicklaino

    nicklaino Member+

    Feb 14, 2012
    Brooklyn, NY
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It is a well know fact that girls are smarter then boys. Because of that they are involved in a lot of activities.

    Probably to many so choices have to be made.

    It happen to my daughter. She was in the westinghouse schorlship thing in HS. She gave that up, HS band she gave that up and a few other things. She would have to leave for school 6 am and she would get home after Pm.

    We are soccer people so we all want them to do that. But all kids are different and they should make their own decisions.

    My daughter got the highest awards for math and science. I thought she would be a doctor. Instead she wanted to go to enginering school. Then moves to the liberal arts part. Then wins some awards for German Language and culture and takes a semester in Germany. She falls in love with the place. Then moves there permanently after she graduates. Been there ever since. So they do what they want to do not always what we want them to do. Kids oh brother :)
     
  23. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    After half season with the right coach and the right program my 6 year old would have a fit if I suggested she missed a practice.

    But I have a long way to go.
     
  24. BigEffingGooner

    BigEffingGooner Member+

    Apr 25, 2012
    Austin, Tx
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    She's 6, give her time, lol. My kids are 19, 14, 12 ... My daughter being the middle. My boys love soccer passionately, always stuck with it. My daughter played at a high level until she was 12 and decided she didn't want to do it any longer. Soccer is my passion certainly, but for my kids I just want them to be happy.
     
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  25. VolklP19

    VolklP19 Member+

    Jun 23, 2010
    Illinois
    Totally agree - they just have to do something active.
     

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