SheBelieves Cup 2020 • Do stop believing

Discussion in 'Women's International' started by sbahnhof, Feb 9, 2020.

  1. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    I heard this was he first time being a coach. Considering how far he got the England reaching in Euros 2017 and WC 19 it’s impressive. But he has to get them better for Olympics if it still ongoing as well as 2021 Euros.
     
  2. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    My prediction might becoming closer; Stoney Casey takes over & brings her Man U players along; James, Galton, Zelem & the two Turner’s(well, maybe one of them!). Probably wouldn’t happen though till Neville flops at the Olympics
     
  3. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Probably not for another two years. After Euros if England fails to get to the top, then he will be fired.
     
  4. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Mark Sampson was the england manager in 2017.
     
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  5. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    finally revenge for the Spanish Armada disaster/possibly Neville's last game?(or is it just wishful thinking)

    current #13 Spain probably will move to #11 since the current #11 North Korea has made an disapearing act faster than you can say Houdini & you would expect Japan to fall dramatically after loosing to two lower ranked teams(especially since Spain beat them so handily). the question mark is if #12 Norway moves into the top #10 slot? They did win two games & loosing the higher Germans shouldn't hurt them(unless the FIFA rankers woke up & actually saw the game where they got their butts beat by the Germans B squad.
     
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  6. SiberianThunderT

    Sep 21, 2008
    DC
    Club:
    Saint Louis Athletica
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    North Korea won't be dropping for at least 2 more ranking releases. They last played Feb6 2019, and you aren't declared inactive until 18mo of no games, meaning the first time they could drop out of the rankings would be the Aug18 2020 release. Rating points themselves don't decay from inactivity.

    Japan only lost one game to a lower-ranked team, Spain, since the last ranking release, not two games. Granted, three losses overall means they will definitely be losing rating points.

    Norway is probably a wash in terms of points - two small wins over teams they should be and one big loss to a team the should lose to. They can't rise above DPK.

    Japan will drop below DPK but probably won't drop below NOR. Spain probably rises above all three. Doubtful Spain rises to 9th, though, because Brazi most likely gained points from their spring tournament, and I doubt Canada dropped enough points to the USA for them to fall within reach of Spain.
     
  7. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    and the final game is in

    even though the score didn't reflect it, close game & got to give Japan credit for not going into a shell & trying to run with the US squad that looked increasingly tired at times. With J down 1-2 early in the 2nd half, they took the game to the US with one shot rickashawing on both ends of the goal posts before bouncing out. Unlucky not to score & the momentum ultimately swung back to the US favor. Pretty exciting game & to be honestly, Japan the better team. But the scoreline shows that in this day & age, Japan needs to balance their so called 'beautiful' game with a bit more physical type players, otherwise their going to give up headers like the US last goal(China seems to have found a few, as to show it can be done in Asia)
     
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  8. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    It's also good not to make big errors when trying to play out from the back. (We've been saying a lot of that in the men's and women's game.) Press' goal was great, but that was a very poor GK pass.
     
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  9. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Wouldn’t be surprised that future Japanese players will be taller and physically stronger.
     
  10. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    Love Press’s deception that she was looking like she was passing when she show that she was looking at another player and then made the chip shot just as her teammate was passing by.
     
  11. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since the FIFA rankers are a computer program that doesn't take lineups into account, don't count on it.
     
  12. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    Maybe, but you already know I'm not so high on United players. Again, Galton would deserve it most for her season, but Hemp's arguably been as good or better. James would warrant it most for her ability, but her product on the field often enough doesn't match her ability in my opinion. If Zelem can play like she did in the first two matches vs Brighton and M. Turner can play like she did to start the season, then fair enough. However, M. Turner's had shaky moments essentially each match for months, and Walsh is a Zelem type player who's outperformed her this season even considering Zelem's very good matches vs Brighton. A. Turner's been fine compared to her fellow defenders at United, but she arguably doesn't look like an international level full back or center back.
     
  13. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I would expect the Man U players can make the NT only if Stoney’s the coach, otherwise doubt if anybody can flourish under Neville’s system. Man U is still the 2nd best ‘English dominant lineup’ squad in the league.

    ahh, never mind, they''l never get rid of Neville
    Phil Neville to remain England manager despite underwhelming SheBelieves Cup
     
  14. Klingo3034

    Klingo3034 Member+

    Dallas FC
    United States
    Oct 11, 2019
    They won’t get rid of him even if England failed to get to the knockout rounds in the Olympics and Euros. They won’t get rid of him even if England lost to Thailand.
     
  15. sbahnhof

    sbahnhof Member+

    Nov 21, 2016
    Aotearoa
    Oh, Neville is definitely under pressure, and has been since the first post-World Cup games, even if they're 'only' friendlies. If his Not-England team does badly in the Olympics that'll be increased - he seems quite self-critical, he may consider quitting if things don't improve.

    It's probably a good sign for English women's football that the job is such a talking point. The FA retained the last 2 managers for a while after they'd become a liability in some ways: Hope Powell, and that other one, what's-is-name, Homer Simpson.


    (From the Algarve thread)
    The attendances were good for the USWNT games of course, but the other 3 earlier games had pretty small crowds. Whether it's Concacaf teams or ENG/JPN etc, fans in the U.S. usually don't show up in big numbers to watch two non-US teams - there's no mystery to it, it's understandable, but in that regard the U.S. isn't much better than Portugal or a lot of countries.

    [​IMG]
     
  16. Ethan Frank

    Ethan Frank Member+

    Chelsea
    United States
    Jun 11, 2019
    For anyone wondering if Ertz's pass % accuracy vs Spain and Japan is a trend or an outlier like our favorite inStat user, a good place to start would be breaking down/analyzing her passes instead of just looking at the raw pass % number. Now, I didn't actually watch much of the US apart from the first match, but a lower pass % often enough doesn't mean much to me if the play style leading to such a number largely benefits the team or if pressure situations over the course of a match (i.e. header/volley passes, clearances, etc.) notably contributed to a lower number. (Ertz also isn't really known as a strong tempo setting passer or a creative passer, so I'm not sure how big a deal pass % is anyways when it comes to her.)
     
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  17. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    a couple vids highlighting individual performances in the US vs Spain match; Mapi Leon showing what a strong CB should be

    Julie Ertz superb performance(it's not just about scoring the game winner!)
     
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  18. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The previous poster mentioned something as to why almost no one attended the none US games? It’s a pretty good question, here might be some answers;
    1) since the games were shown on English & Spanish TV, they were played at a decent time/not so late for the folks back home, but the 3-4 pm starting times over here means that most Americans were still at work

    2) these were all doubleheader’s, it would take 4-5 hours to watch both games, that’s asking a lot since the majority of the crowds especially in woso being full families in attendance.

    3) it’s true, in sports, except the prestigious Olympics or WC/soccer, most Americans don’t care about sports in the rest of world. Their really more hooked on their local high school, college of pro clubs, most wouldn’t even know who the current world champion is in basketball, volleyball or any individual sports.
    BUT from reading at this forum, it’s no different from the international fans. For instance there’s a few speciality area’s that are doing well, like the Norway & Nakeshiko threats are popular(considering their currently not even ranked in the top 10, there’s practically no interest in Germany, even though they’ve been now ranked #1 or #2 or nearly two decades. So just saying; clear your own conscience before hampering on why Americans don’t bother paying near enough attention to other squads than their own
     
  19. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Except, most of the contributors of Nadeshiko Japan thread are not even Japanese! :giggle: You should know very well that, if you fold that threat, you'll find that at least half of the posts (but probably much more) are actually written by people from Italy, Poland, England, Germany, Australia, Brazil... even the US themselves! :eek:

    In the light of that, you want to revise your claim that most international fans are only interested to their local scene? :)
     
  20. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    But this then is what I’m asking you; you & other foreign posters pop up on American threats(take it cuz their #1) Yet show no respect for #2 Germany. Instead you follow your own specialty(Japan) though their not even top 10
     
  21. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I'll tell you secret: following a thread has nothing to do with the FIFA ranking of a team.
     
  22. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    But a higher ranked team usually should gets a bit more respect. Thus the lack of interest for Germany from your Euros is appalling(that means include their own fans as well)
     
  23. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    It's not a question of respect: you're encouraged to start posting regularly in a thread if there is already an active and interesting community of people who are quite regularly posting about subjects of common interest in a friendly and compelling way. In some rare circumstance just one poster can be enough, if he uses to post interesting stuff in a way and in a tone that keep you anyway hooked (it's the case with @Bauser on the Norway thread, as much as it was the case with @gricio61 on the Women's Soccer in Italy thread).

    But the particularly chemistry of a thread is not something that you can just create out of thin air: it happens or it doesn't. It's just all about a sense of community and if this sense doesn't somehow take place, there's no good (or even great) team nor any achivement (or reached rankings) that can replace the passion of some invested posters.
     
  24. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Now you changed the subject to threats only. The previous poster seemed to question as why Americans didn’t show up for the none US games(these were the best players from 3 respective countries). My answer as direct as I can; Euro fans don’t seem to care for the best either, otherwise they would pay more attention to Germany(ranked #2 World, #1 Europe)
     
  25. shlj

    shlj Member+

    Apr 16, 2007
    London
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    He is trolling again.
     
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