SheBelieves 2024

Discussion in 'USA Women: News and Analysis' started by lil_one, Mar 11, 2024.

  1. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The format has to change with it fitting into a different FIFA window this year (the normal round-robin format will return next year). But, the 2024 SheBelieves Cup will kick off in under a month.

    April 6, 2024 in Atlanta
    USA vs Japan at 12:30 pm ET (on TNT, Universo, Max, and Peacock)
    Canada vs Brazil at 3:30 pm ET (on Universo, Max, and Peacock)

    April 9, 2024 in Columbus, Ohio
    Japan vs TBD at 4 pm ET (on TBS, Universo, Max, and Peacock)
    USA vs TBD at 7 pm ET (on TBS, Universo, Max, and Peacock)

    The April 6th games are semifinals, and on the 9th, they are a 3rd place match and final. However, the US will play in the 2nd time slot on the 9th regardless of whether it is the 3rd place match or final. Either way, in the 2nd game, we'll get a rematch of a W Gold Cup game.

    Presumably, these will also be Kilgore's last games as head coach since Hayes is expected to be in for the June friendlies.
     
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  2. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    This is great! :) I was afraid that I could have missed Japan's second match, had it happened in the European night (so my dilemma was if I was going to hope for Japan to win the tournament or if I would have preferred to see them lose the first game to USA so I was guaranteed to follow both their games live).
    Now, no dilemmas: I can comfortably root for Japan to beat the USA and then to play in the subsequent first slot anyway (European evening, well watchable from me). :p:sneaky:
     
  3. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #3 lil_one, Mar 26, 2024
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    SheBelieves USWNT roster:



    Macario and Swanson are back! Yohannes and Gaetino get their first call-ups. Lavelle is out as a precautionary measure against a minor injury. I believe also Williams has some injury and not fully fit.
     
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  4. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    To address previous questions about why Yohannes wasn't called in for the W Gold Cup, remember that the tournament was cap-tying. She may not have been ready to make that commitment so young and so quickly. This is a better chance for her to test-drive the squad.
     
  5. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    From what I see on social media, multiple questions on the media call with Kilgore were about Yohannes. Obviously, she's been involved both with US and Dutch youth camps, and the US wanted to call her in for the recent U17 CONCACAF tournament, but it was outside of a FIFA window. According to Kilgore, Yohannes cannot yet play for the Netherlands, as she doesn't have a Dutch passport. In recent rumors on the Dutch side, she is the process of getting that Dutch passport and has expressed interest in playing for the Netherlands (according to head coach Jonker). I'd view this as USSF's sales pitch for her to play for us.
     
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  6. Byu77

    Byu77 Member

    Arsenal
    United States
    Nov 21, 2021
    This rosters shows me if you’re young and have the opportunity get yourself to Europe over the Nwsl.
     
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  7. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Shaw 19, Moultrie 18, Yohannes 16.

    When's the last time the three youngest players on a roster averaged 17 years old?
     
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  8. NCChiFan

    NCChiFan Member

    NC Courage
    United States
    Feb 19, 2021
    With an incoming EU coach... Am not surprised.

    So good to see Macario and Swanson back in house.
     
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  9. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am not agreeing or disagreeing with this, but I am wondering why you say this.

    It seems to me reaching a conclusion on this would involve looking at some numbers. For example, what do we define as "young"? What proportion of young US players in the NWSL get onto USWNT rosters and what proportion of young US players in Europe get onto USWNT rosters? Once we have numbers like that, we could begin to consider which is the better place to play.
     
  10. hardballBD

    hardballBD Member

    Union
    United States
    Feb 21, 2022
    I don't know the facts, but I thought a lot of angst that we might lose her to the Netherlands was based on the idea that she has NOT been called into US team youth camps. Is this impression wrong?
     
  11. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    that's the Scuffed Podcast pov. And, it makes sense. Hopefully we win her heart. Wd love to see her and Olivia get some PT in SB.
     
  12. cpthomas

    cpthomas BigSoccer Supporter

    Portland Thorns
    United States
    Jan 10, 2008
    Portland, Oregon
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    She was called into US Youth camps twice, once the U-15s and once the U-16s. However, although born in the US, she has lived in The Netherlands since she was 10.
     
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  13. BostonRed

    BostonRed Member+

    Oct 9, 2011
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kilgore said today that Yohannes was called into a US U17 squad recently, but wasn't able to make it.



    Kilgore has traveled to the Netherlands to scout her and spoken to her family as well.

    Sounds like most (potential) dual nats -- rattle the cage a little bit to get the other fed's attention. She might still pick the Dutch, but she has managed to get the USWNT's attention.
     
  14. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like cpthomas, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with you, but 2 of the 3 youngest players on this roster play in the NWSL. And from what I understand, one of those, Yohannes, moved to the Netherlands with her family because of her dad's job, not necessarily choosing one league over another. (And she may still choose the Netherlands over the US anyway.)

    I guess Albert and Gaetino fit your description, but there's just as many around a similar age on the roster playing in the NWSL (Rodman, Smith, etc.).
     
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  15. lil_one

    lil_one Member+

    Nov 26, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Besides the Yohannes news, obviously Macario and Swanson being back are big. Given their long recoveries from injury (a year for Mal and 2 years for Cat) and how close we are to the Olympics, I'd rather not see either of them play significant minutes in these friendlies. If they look ready in training, then yes I hope they get on the field. But my bigger hope is that they are still being brought back from injury slowly and that being in the competitive environment of the USWNT camp doesn't prompt them to do too much, too soon. I want them to both be healthy going into the Olympics.
     
  16. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Despite rooting for a different team from USWNT, I share this feeling. :thumbsup:

    I want all the good players on the pitch (although I am aware that some, as Sam Kerr, sadly won't :unsure:) and all of the teams at their best. Then, may the best win! :ninja:
     
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  17. NCChiFan

    NCChiFan Member

    NC Courage
    United States
    Feb 19, 2021
    You need to tell that to their club teams. Well, at least in Swanson's case. Think her first time on the pitch she played 70 min.
     
  18. FanOfFutbol

    FanOfFutbol Member+

    The Mickey Mouse Club or The breakfast Club
    May 4, 2002
    Limbo
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    There are multiple pieces to the recovery process. There is the playing time issues and there is also how hard the player plays and how good the player is at avoiding the worst kind of contact. Quality players are not always, even usually, good at reducing the effect of even bad contact on joints or muscles. To go WAY back in history the best I have even seen at minimizing the impact of impact was Sir Stanley Mathews. (Yes I typed impact of impact on purpose) He played during a period when defensive players could get away with a lot more than they can now (even in CONCACAF) and "kicking" a forward to control their advantage was more than common. I remember seeing him kicked HARD 10 times in a half and tackled with bone breaking power a half dozen more.
    Another player very good at reducing the effect of impact was Mia Hamm. The technique both of those used was twofold: 1. They moved the ball quickly small distances that changed the angle of impact to a less dangerous one (Sir Mathews even had the primary move he used and the counter named after him as it was so effective) I do not remember Mia (who unashamedly stole The Stanley Mathews just from the other side) combined with that they both had the ability to use the soccer equivalent of the "Limp leg" made famous by several American Football players like Jim Brown and Gale Sayers which serves to take weight off the leg at the moment of impact. (People complained about both of those, particularly Brown) that he took a long tie to get up after a tackle. His coach, not so politely, told reporters repeatedly "He takes a long time to go down too."

    When Swanson got so badly hurt i was surprised as her on field moves seem to have the same "limp leg" look as Hamm's and Mathews' and I was not expecting such a sever injury.
    FWIW: The ligament Swanson tore was not any of the usual suspects and i have deduced that the impact was not the primary cause but rather more like "The straw that broke the camel's back" and there was, I think, even a pre-existing condition from years ago. That caused the ligament to be torn in an unusual manner.

    The good news is that Swanson is moving very well. The bad news is that she seems a little tentative in contact. When she gets another match or two under her belt I think that tentativeness will go away and she could even be stronger than before the surgery. I have been told by a retired orthopedist that the torn patella tendon surgery is quite similar to the "Tommy John" elbow surgery and that often allows pictures to even throw better and faster after recovery.

    Also she needs some "rest" to fully recover but playing will not increase the chances of additional injury.

    My Dr. Friend even asked "How the heck did she manage to injure her "patella tendon" during play." He said that he would have problems injuring a knee like her's was from outside even if he had a club and the knee was held still exactly how and where he wanted it. It is a hard injury for doctors to both treat and explain.

    Again I understand that simple use will not aggravate the injury and, if it is full healed, impact is no more likely to reinjure the knee than it was before the original injury happened.

    That is she is pretty safe from reinjury but that says little about new injury. I think her ability to throw the limp leg will make new leg injuries less likely but nothing is 100% protection and she is just as likely to get hurt now as she was when she started playing.

    As I mentioned earlier I think she can go as long as her club wants her too without reinjury risk.

    Having said all that the biggest indicator is pain and, should the area start hurting she should get herself evaluated ASAP. Hopefully her club will exhibit care in when and how she plays.

    Also I will add one Mia Hamm quote: “Soccer isn’t very social. Plus, if you don’t like someone on the other team, you can do something about it.” – Mia Hamm
     
  19. Namdynamo

    Namdynamo Member+

    Jan 1, 2005
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  20. RalleeMonkey

    RalleeMonkey Member+

    Aug 30, 2004
    here
    Well, the club team is paying her salary.
    worth watching.
     
  21. NCChiFan

    NCChiFan Member

    NC Courage
    United States
    Feb 19, 2021
    Interesting. The two times I've witnessed the Patella Tendon snap where on a basketball court and both were non-contact snaps. Which could very much illude to the idea of "straw that broke the camels back".
     
  22. hotjam2

    hotjam2 Member+

    Nov 23, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    all five Americans that played at the current Champion’s League, quarter finals, were called up. To be sure, I don’t think that as of yet, Johannes, Albert & Gaetino are right now among the US/twenty-three best players, but that they the nod over NWSL players shows the bold, new steps the USWNT is taking and obviously feel that the training & development from elite clubs like Ajax & PSG is currently stronger than what an NWSL club can give.

    that’s not to say the NWSL doesn’t have its own merits; it’s still the highest funded , most balanced & possibly entertaining woso league in the world, but missing the high IQ soccer needed to compete these days for world titles—-it’s basically why the US looked so frustrated at the WC against three teams that aren’t even currently ranked among the top 4 Euro NT’s
    she’s an excellent tackler & quick to pass the ball upfield to the open runner. She wasn’t rostered for yesterday’s game though, makes me wonder is she’s currently injured?
     
  23. blissett

    blissett Member+

    Aug 20, 2011
    Italy
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I had the same doubt, that was subsequently answered on the Champions' League's thread: she was suspended, for an excess Yellow Card in the last game.
     
  24. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It's good to see Pugh/Swanson's return from injury and hope to see her recover (although I don't expect her to score goals for the US at the pace she was because part of it was just simply being on a hot streak)

    When I saw the replay of Swanson's injury, I always thought her knee buckled even before any contact from the Irish defender, who I thought was making a normal clearance and even pulled short on her follow-through to try minimizing the impact. I never blamed Ireland for the injury; it's interesting to see medical evidence to support that.

    oh that's a great story. I don't follow NFL much anymore but I'll try to remember that one.

    A propos of nothing except it's a story about a sport I don't follow a lot anymore, Mike ("the Moose") Mussina, the great pitcher for the Baltimore Orioles and the New York Yankees was once asked by a reporter if he would ever accept having a gay teammate.

    Mussina thought for a second and replied, "I assume I already have"
     
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  25. Number007

    Number007 Member+

    Santos FC
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2018
    All part of the international playbook. Dual nationals have more clout. Tend to get more opportunities than players of similar talent who dont have options.
     

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