Matchday #11 ATALANTA – CAGLIARI h. 12.30 ABISSO COLAROSSI – DI IORIO IV: RAPUANO VAR: ORSATO AVAR: DI PAOLO BOLOGNA – INTER Sabato 02/11 h. 18.00 LA PENNA PASSERI – CECCONI IV: MARINELLI VAR: VALERI AVAR: DEL GIOVANE FIORENTINA – PARMA h. 18.00 PAIRETTO VIVENZI – VECCHI IV: PRONTERA VAR: FABBRI AVAR: VALERIANI GENOA – UDINESE PASQUA MONDIN – BACCINI IV: MAGGIONI VAR: NASCA AVAR: BINDONI H. VERONA – BRESCIA MARIANI FIORITO – SCHENONE IV: SERRA VAR: MASSA AVAR: GALETTO LECCE – SASSUOLO ROS RANGHETTI – GORI IV: GIUA VAR: BANTI AVAR: LONGO MILAN – LAZIO h. 20.45 CALVARESE COSTANZO – ALASSIO IV: SACCHI VAR: MANGANIELLO AVAR: PAGANESSI ROMA – NAPOLI Sabato 02/11 h. 15.00 ROCCHI MELI – PERETTI IV: ABBATTISTA VAR: AURELIANO AVAR: LO CICERO SPAL – SAMPDORIA Lunedì 04/11 h. 20.45 CHIFFI LIBERTI – CAPALDO IV: MINELLI VAR: PICCININI AVAR: PRETI TORINO – JUVENTUS Sabato 02/11 h. 20.45 DOVERI GIALLATINI – TEGONI IV: GUIDA VAR: MARESCA AVAR: CARBONE
Matchday #12 BRESCIA – TORINO Sabato 09/11 h. 15.00 GUIDA LIBERTI – VALERIANI IV: MARINI VAR: NASCA AVAR: SCHENONE CAGLIARI – FIORENTINA h. 12.30 LA PENNA BRESMES – FIORE IV: GIUA VAR: DOVERI AVAR: GIALLATINI INTER – H. VERONA Sabato 09/11 h. 18.00 VALERI BOTTEGONI – ROCCA IV: DI MARTINO VAR: GIACOMELLI AVAR: VIVENZI JUVENTUS – MILAN h. 20.45 MARESCA PRETI – CARBONE IV: MARIANI VAR: MAZZOLENI AVAR: RANGHETTI LAZIO – LECCE MANGANIELLO LONGO – MANGANELLI IV: MASSIMI VAR: PAIRETTO AVAR: DI IORIO NAPOLI – GENOA Sabato 09/11 h. 20.45 CALVARESE DEL GIOVANE – VILLA IV: ABBATTISTA VAR: CHIFFI AVAR: MONDIN PARMA – ROMA h. 18.00 FABBRI TOLFO – DI VUOLO IV: GHERSINI VAR: BANTI AVAR: ALASSIO SAMPDORIA – ATALANTA IRRATI DE MEO – PRENNA IV: PEZZUTO VAR: DI PAOLO AVAR: TEGONI SASSUOLO – BOLOGNA Venerdì 08/11 h. 20.45 PICCININI GALETTO – CALIARI IV: FOURNEAU VAR: ROCCHI AVAR: CECCONI UDINESE – SPAL MASSA PAGANESSI – SANTORO IV: AYROLDI VAR: ABISSO AVAR: PASSERI
Matchday #18 Massa returns to referee Milan after nearly 3 years. He was involved in a very controversial Milan-Juventus game where he and AAR Doveri awarded a dubious (incorrect) 93' handball penalty to Juve. ATALANTA – PARMA Lunedì 06/01 h. 15.00 PASQUA VIVENZI – CALIARI IV: MINELLI VAR: LA PENNA AVAR: PERETTI BOLOGNA – FIORENTINA Lunedì 06/01 h. 12.30 VALERI VALERIANI – LO CICERO IV: PICCININI VAR: MARIANI AVAR: GALETTO BRESCIA – LAZIO h. 12.30 MANGANIELLO DE MEO – SANTORO IV: GHERSINI VAR: MAZZOLENI AVAR: DI IORIO GENOA – SASSUOLO h.18.00 IRRATI MANGANELLI – MACADDINO IV: FOURNEAU VAR: DI PAOLO AVAR: RANGHETTI JUVENTUS – CAGLIARI Lunedì 06/01 h.15.00 GIACOMELLI LIBERTI – BOTTEGONI IV: VOLPI VAR: BANTI AVAR: CECCONI LECCE – UDINESE Lunedì 06/01 h.18.00 GIUA PRETI – IMPERIALE IV: PRONTERA VAR: MARESCA AVAR: FIORITO MILAN – SAMPDORIA Lunedì 06/01 h.15.00 MASSA ALASSIO – DI VUOLO IV: AYROLDI VAR: PAIRETTO AVAR: BINDONI NAPOLI – INTER Lunedì 06/01 h.20.45 DOVERI PASSERI – DEL GIOVANE IV: FABBRI VAR: CALVARESE AVAR: GIALLATINI ROMA – TORINO h.20.45 DI BELLO SCHENONE – VECCHI IV: CHIFFI VAR: ABISSO AVAR: COSTANZO SPAL – H. VERONA h.15.00 GUIDA PAGANESSI – DI GIOIA IV: MASSIMI VAR: NASCA AVAR: MONDIN
Matchday #19 Three big games this round. Should be entertaining stuff CAGLIARI – MILAN Sabato 11/01 h. 15.00 ABISSO RANGHETTI – ROCCA IV: DIONISI VAR: NASCA AVAR: DEL GIOVANE FIORENTINA – SPAL LA PENNA BACCINI – BRESMES IV: ABBATTISTA VAR: DI PAOLO AVAR: VALERIANI H. VERONA – GENOA h. 18.00 MARIANI BINDONI – DI IORIO IV: CHIFFI VAR: VALERI AVAR: LO CICERO INTER – ATALANTA Sabato 11/01 h. 20.45 ROCCHI CARBONE – GIALLATINI IV: DOVERI VAR: IRRATI AVAR: VIVENZI LAZIO – NAPOLI Sabato 11/01 h. 18.00 ORSATO TEGONI – GALETTO IV: GIUA VAR: PAIRETTO AVAR: SCHENONE PARMA – LECCE Lunedì 13/01 h.20.45 FABBRI CECCONI – COLAROSSI IV: SOZZA VAR: MASSA AVAR: LIBERTI ROMA – JUVENTUS h. 20.45 GUIDA MELI – FIORITO IV: GIACOMELLI VAR: MAZZOLENI AVAR: PAGANESSI SAMPDORIA – BRESCIA CALVARESE GORI – MUTO IV: MANGANIELLO VAR: DI BELLO AVAR: MANGANELLI TORINO – BOLOGNA PICCININI PRENNA – MONDIN IV: MARINI VAR: BANTI AVAR: DE MEO UDINESE – SASSUOLO h.12.30 VOLPI PERETTI – COSTANZO IV: PASQUA VAR: MARESCA AVAR: LONGO
Very interesting situation from recent Coppa Italia game, Parma - Roma. Would be interested in your thoughts! https://streamable.com/lttfl
Wow. There's a bunch of decisions in there. I think offside is the correct decision. It's close (because the white player is sliding in), but the blue player plays the ball through to an attacker in the offside position. on the way through, the ball hits another white player. That seems to me to be a deflection and not a deliberate play, so it does not "reset" the offside. The attacker in the offside position then interferes with play by playing the ball out wide, so to me, it's offside. I would consider a yellow to the keeper, though, for a reckless tackle notwithstanding the offside. If the whistle went before the tackle by the keeper, then I would still book him, but for unsporting behavior more generally. I think. Though I could be wrong. It's a lot in a very short amount of time.
I think I pretty much agree with @ColoradoRef here. My additions to the discussion are: 1) In any game without VAR, offside is not only the easier decision here, it's the right decision. The initial ball through is an attempted pass. If the last touch actually comes off the tackling player as that pass is made, for practical purposes I find that irrelevant. And then the touch off the second defender definitely qualifies as a deflection rather than a play, so offside is not reset. Offside position is clear. There was an attempted pass to that player. Flag needs to go up and whistle needs to come. It is not as though the tackling player send the ball backward when there was no attempt by the attacker to play it. This isn't as tricky as it could be. 2) As for the potential yellow card, I think in a non-professional setting you might almost have to give it. In a professional setting, unless it seems to incite something or come in the context of a match where there's been a lot of misconduct, I think the player's expectations is that if it's offside, everyone can move on. 3) Side note that VAR could only check this if the ball ended in the net or if the potential foul would have been DOGSO. The ball didn't end in the net and the last touch of the attacker before being felled was away from goal, so I really don't think you can make a credible argument for DOGSO. As such, if this had been incorrectly flagged (and to repeat, I think it's the correct call), this is one of those situations VAR couldn't fix.
Thanks for your views! Another interesting situation from Coppa Italia in the Napoli - Perugia game, penalty (handling) given after an On-Field Review. https://streamable.com/okloh
Body to hand doesn't count. Except for the above offences, it is not usually an offence if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm: • directly from the player’s own head or body (including the foot)
“ It is usually an offence if a player: • touches the ball with their hand/arm when: • the hand/arm has made their body unnaturally bigger • the hand/arm is above/beyond their shoulder level (unless the player deliberately plays the ball which then touches their hand/arm) The above offences apply even if the ball touches a player’s hand/arm directly from the head or body (including the foot) of another player who is close.” I think the fact the arm is above the shoulder is why the fact it off of his leg is disregarded.
Why did it take so long after the OFR to award the penalty if that was his decision? Did he need the VAR to check the build-up for offside? That's the type of play that needs to be watched at 100% speed. If watched at 100% speed, I don't think there's a chance anyone says it's clearly wrong. You slow it down to 50% or 25% and you can start convincing yourself there's a distinct handling motion after the deflection. At 100% speed, that doesn't happen.
But the player is deliberately playing the ball. It's the parenthetical in the third bullet you cite. Also I don't think this gets classified as above shoulder height when we go down to still frames. His left arm is basically perpendicularly out and that left shoulder is below the right shoulder. So the left arm, which has the handball contact, is at or below shoulder length, depending upon which shoulder you measure by.
We are now what almost 2-3 years into this system and it really hasn't gotten any better and more efficient. I'm not really interested in the debate of whether it was the right call or right intervention. Those three minutes it took to send the referee over to do an OFR and then for the referee to award the penalty were simply unwatchable. Just ruining the game. No can convince me that delay is worth it to "get the call right." People can live without getting that call right every single time. As much as we laugh and ridicule the EPL for not doing OFRs, this is a textbook example of what, IN THEORY, the EPL's "system" COULD avoid.
In theory, yes. But an English VAR would just watch it for two minutes by himself and hold the game up anyway. So not in practice. And again, just like in England, the problem here is training. A play like that is supposed to be looked at with 100% speed. If the VAR does that a couple times and takes the “clearly wrong” standard into account, a 20-30 second check leads to play-on and a corner kick. The problem here is the VAR convinced himself otherwise. And then the referee did, too. And then—I think—they realized they had to check the offside (which should have been done already). And each of these individual stages took longer than it should. VAR was always going to slow the game down. But I think people—important people—vastly underestimated just how much it would do so. It’s an entirely new system of officiating and it’s implemented, essentially, with an edict to participants that it is about getting things right. Officials are acting accordingly, which means slowing things down and being sure. Only more training and more forceful directives about “clearly wrong” can help.
This weekend's crunch clash between Juventus and Inter, to be played behind closed doors, will be refereed by Guida. Mazzoleni is VAR.
This game is as close as you can get to a single-game playoff for Serie A. Vitally important. It's a shame it has to be played behind closed doors. There was some talk of moving it to Rome.
In what one might kindly describe as an administrative farce - this match has been unpostponed and is now scheduled to be played (behind closed doors) this Sunday.
My only quibble with the sequence is I really don’t think Conti’s handball is a yellow card We all know that Italy’s handball interpretation is among the severest - do we think such a play gets sent down in other leagues? MLS I’d say no, EPL definitely not. I’m not familiar enough with Bundesliga use to comment.
I do wonder if we'll see Mariani in the 2H, he already took a spray treatment and looks in some measure of discomfort. What sanction would you give the foul at the end of the 1H? Correct to issue a SYC for Young in my view, tricky incident rather at the referee's discretion.