Serie A Assignments & Discussion (Rs)

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  1. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Serie A Matchday #4

    ATALANTA – FIORENTINA h. 18.00
    ORSATO
    MANGANELLI – BOTTEGONI
    IV: SERRA
    VAR: AURELIANO
    AVAR: TEGONI

    BOLOGNA – ROMA
    PAIRETTO
    MELI – FIORITO
    IV: PEZZUTO
    VAR: CALVARESE
    AVAR: SCHENONE

    CAGLIARI – GENOA Venerdì 20/09 h. 20.45
    MANGANIELLO
    LONGO – VECCHI
    IV: SOZZA
    VAR: CHIFFI
    AVAR: DE MEO

    JUVENTUS – H. VERONA Sabato 21/09 h. 18.00
    LA PENNA
    DI IORIO – CALIARI
    IV: VOLPI
    VAR: DI BELLO
    AVAR: ALASSIO

    LAZIO – PARMA h. 20.45
    ABISSO
    VILLA – GORI
    IV: MINELLI
    VAR: MASSA
    AVAR: LIBERTI

    LECCE – NAPOLI
    PICCININI
    GALETTO – BACCINI
    IV: BARONI
    VAR: PASQUA
    AVAR: CECCONI

    MILAN – INTER Sabato 21/09 h. 20.45
    DOVERI
    RANGHETTI – LO CICERO
    IV: MARESCA
    VAR: IRRATI
    AVAR: CARBONE

    SAMPDORIA – TORINO
    GIACOMELLI
    DEL GIOVANE – TOLFO
    IV: PRONTERA
    VAR: MAZZOLENI
    AVAR: PAGANESSI

    SASSUOLO – SPAL h. 12.30
    MARIANI
    IMPERIALE – ROSSI C.
    IV: RAPUANO
    VAR: ABBATTISTA
    AVAR: PERETTI

    UDINESE – BRESCIA Sabato 21/09 h. 15.00
    VALERI
    COLAROSSI – CAPALDO
    IV: MAGGIONI
    VAR: GIUA
    AVAR: MONDIN
     
  2. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    So many early big matches in the Serie A this year!

    By the way, any information on when Rocchi will retire from domestic duty?
     
  3. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    From my understanding Rocchi will referee domestically until the end of 19/20, but he will not be on the 2020 FIFA list. (Which I believe makes him ineligible for the second half of the UEFA season and Euro 2020)
     
  4. frankieboylampard

    Mar 7, 2016
    USA
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    “There was truth and there was untruth, and if you clung to the truth even against the whole world, you were not mad.”
     
  5. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Serie A Matchday #5 (Midweek fixtures)

    BRESCIA – JUVENTUS Martedì 24/09 h. 21.00
    PASQUA
    BINDONI – SANTORO
    IV: MARINI
    VAR: GIACOMELLI
    AVAR: GALETTO

    FIORENTINA –SAMPDORIA
    DOVERI
    FIORITO – DI VUOLO
    IV: PICCININI
    VAR: PAIRETTO
    AVAR: LIBERTI

    GENOA – BOLOGNA
    MASSA
    GIALLATINI – DI GIOIA
    IV: FOURNEAU
    VAR: MANGANIELLO
    AVAR: DI IORIO

    H. VERONA – UDINESE Martedì 24/09 h. 19.00
    CHIFFI
    TEGONI – BRESMES
    IV: SACCHI
    VAR: ABISSO
    AVAR: TOLFO

    INTER – LAZIO
    MARESCA
    ALASSIO – PAGANESSI
    IV: FABBRI
    VAR: CALVARESE
    AVAR: MELI

    NAPOLI – CAGLIARI
    DI BELLO
    SCHENONE – DE MEO
    IV: PEZZUTO
    VAR: LA PENNA
    AVAR: LONGO

    PARMA – SASSUOLO
    MARINELLI
    PRETI – CECCONI
    IV: GHERSINI
    VAR: NASCA
    AVAR: VALERIANI

    ROMA – ATALANTA h. 19.00
    IRRATI
    PASSERI – MONDIN
    IV: GIUA
    VAR: BANTI
    AVAR: RANGHETTI

    SPAL – LECCE
    ROCCHI
    VECCHI – LOMBARDI
    IV: RAPUANO
    VAR: MAZZOLENI
    AVAR: MANGANELLI

    TORINO – MILAN Giovedì 26/09 h. 21.00
    GUIDA
    CARBONE – PERETTI
    IV: VALERI
    VAR: MARIANI
    AVAR: DEL GIOVANE
     
  6. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Serie A Matchday #6

    Unfortunately wasn’t really able to watch much of the midweek fixtures.

    CAGLIARI – H. VERONA h. 18.00
    VOLPI
    MANGANELLI – SANTORO
    IV: MARINELLI
    VAR: DI BELLO
    AVAR: TEGONI

    JUVENTUS – SPAL Sabato 28/09 h. 15.00
    PICCININI
    TOLFO – VILLA
    IV: MAGGIONI
    VAR: MASSA
    AVAR: SCHENONE

    LAZIO – GENOA
    PAIRETTO
    RANGHETTI – BOTTEGONI
    IV: ILLUZZI
    VAR: MAZZOLENI
    AVAR: PAGANESSI

    LECCE – ROMA
    ABISSO
    DI IORIO – BRESMES
    IV: BARONI
    VAR: GUIDA
    AVAR: FIORITO

    MILAN – FIORENTINA h. 20.45
    GIACOMELLI
    PRETI – LONGO
    IV: ABBATTISTA
    VAR: MARESCA
    AVAR: VIVENZI

    NAPOLI – BRESCIA h. 12.30
    MANGANIELLO
    GORI – IMPERIALE
    IV: SACCHI
    VAR: CHIFFI
    AVAR: DE MEO

    PARMA – TORINO Lunedì 30/09 h. 20.45
    LA PENNA
    COLAROSSI – BACCINI
    IV: ROS
    VAR: FABBRI
    AVAR: LIBERTI

    SAMPDORIA – INTER Sabato 28/09 h. 18.00
    CALVARESE
    BINDONI – GALETTO
    IV: IRRATI
    VAR: PASQUA
    AVAR: MONDIN

    SASSUOLO – ATALANTA Sabato 28/09 h. 20.45
    VALERI
    DEL GIOVANE – MARGANI
    IV: AURELIANO
    VAR: MARIANI
    AVAR: VALERIANI

    UDINESE – BOLOGNA
    GIUA
    DI VUOLO – CALIARI
    IV: MINELLI
    VAR: BANTI
    AVAR: CECCONI
     
  7. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    @MassachusettsRef

    20 minutes into Napoli Brescia and we have a YC for handling in the buildup to a goal. I’d classify it as deliberate as opposed to accidental. In my opinion it didn’t feel neccesary but as you note, this is now an automatic yellow.

    I don’t have a clip but I’ll try and find later.
     
  8. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Serie A Matchday #7

    ATALANTA – LECCE
    DI BELLO
    PRENNA – FIORE
    IV: FOURNEAU
    VAR: ABISSO
    AVAR: BINDONI

    BOLOGNA – LAZIO
    ORSATO
    FIORITO – VECCHI
    IV: VOLPI
    VAR: PICCININI
    AVAR: MANGANELLI

    BRESCIA – SASSUOLO Venerdì 04/10 h. 20.45
    CHIFFI
    DE MEO – ROCCA
    IV: ABBATTISTA
    VAR: GIACOMELLI
    AVAR: TOLFO

    FIORENTINA – UDINESE h. 12.30
    PRONTERA
    COSTANZO – SCHENONE
    IV: MARINELLI
    VAR: CALVARESE
    AVAR: GALETTO

    GENOA – MILAN Sabato 05/10 h. 20.45
    MARIANI
    PAGANESSI – CECCONI
    IV: LA PENNA
    VAR: MAZZOLENI
    AVAR: PRETI

    H. VERONA – SAMPDORIA Sabato 05/10 h. 18.00
    FABBRI
    VIVENZI – LOMBARDO
    IV: RAPUANO
    VAR: PAIRETTO
    AVAR: DI PAOLO

    INTER – JUVENTUS h. 20.45
    ROCCHI
    MELI – CARBONE
    IV: MARESCA
    VAR: IRRATI
    AVAR: PERETTI


    ROMA – CAGLIARI
    MASSA
    TEGONI – ALASSIO
    IV: GHERSINI
    VAR: NASCA
    AVAR: LONGO

    SPAL – PARMA Sabato 05/10 h. 15.00
    GUIDA
    MONDIN – PAGNOTTA
    IV: DIONISI
    VAR: VALERI
    AVAR: DEL GIOVANE

    TORINO – NAPOLI h. 18.00
    DOVERI
    GIALLATINI – PASSERI
    IV: PASQUA
    VAR: BANTI
    AVAR: RANGHETTI

    Biggest referee for the biggest game of the season!
     
  9. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yeah, but does that Irrati guy know what he's doing as a VAR?
     
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  10. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    I've never heard of him! He must be new or something ...
     
  11. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd


    Gotta love Serie A. So much to unpack in this highlight clip. Other than Spain and maybe South America you'll never get some of these type of incidents in the EPL, MLS or the Champions League.

    Two red cards, a coach given a red card (I think). A post match send-off for abusive language to a substitute along with two interesting VAR reviews.

    By the way, under the old laws I'm pretty positive the coach send-off doesn't show up in the highlights, but since the red card was shown all the cameras point to the referee and even more attention is being drawn to him.

    The PK and red card for DOGSO-H is interesting, in the sense, that is it really clear and obvious if no one in the stadium notices the error in real time? The attacking player who probably would have had the best view is preparing to take the corner instead of appealing for the handling offense.

    It's a penalty kick and a red card, but I always struggle with these reviews that come up when no one is asking for them. It's a more philosophical issue and debate rather than a technical debate because that ship has clearly sailed.

    Lastly, I don't know how that penalty at the end is not over turned. It's a clear dive and I usually defend or support penalties on these goal keeper plays when the attacker is looking to just get the touch ahead of the keeper and drag his feet.

    Here he is just diving.
     
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  12. balu

    balu Member+

    Oct 18, 2013
    It was clearly still during the match. Wonder why that substitute was allowed to then walk on to the field though :D
     
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  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The player in control of the ball on the first penalty didn’t even appeal and the handling was right in front of him!

    I mean, yes, it’s a penalty. But the philosophical questions are interesting.

    I’m also intrigued by the red card. Think that gets given in any other league besides maybe Spain? I’m not sure it’s even given in South America.
     
  14. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    (As a Milan fan)

    I don’t think we discuss the elements of DOGSO-H enough. I didn’t get the “sensation” that was a red card and was surprised by the decision. I thought it was harsh.

    The penalty at the end is clear cut in my book. GK shouldn’t rush off the line. Whether or not the attacker accentuates contact is irrelevant.

    I don’t think the red cards were given to coaches, they were given to substitutes. So no change really, but in Genoa there’s a bit of a spectacle as the player have to run across the pitch to reach the tunnel.
     
  15. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The red card for the handball is one of those ones that no one—even most referees—thinks of as a red card, at least not initially. But when you pause and analyze it, it’s a foul to prevent a 1-on-1 uncontested shot from less than 10 yards away. In some ways, particularly since its deliberate—its the epitome of a DOGSO red card. But again, when no one notices and no one is really thinking about it, it becomes a surprise.

    For the last penalty, I think people would take issue with “accentuate.” Reina avoids contact and let’s him go by. The attacker leaves the trail leg behind to create contact. If ANYTHING about this was natural, there would have been no contact at all. Also, “GK shouldn’t rush off the line” is a bad take. GKs need to rush off the line to cut angles and challenge attackers. They just need to do it carefully and fairly. By the looks of it, Reina did that here and he shouldn’t have been punished.
     
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  16. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Rocchi was incredible in a game that was one of the most intense I’ve seen in the last few years. Great spectacle. I’d recommend those who have ESPN+ to watch the replay.
     
  17. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Serie A Matchday #8

    BRESCIA – FIORENTINA Lunedì 21/10 h. 20.45
    CALVARESE
    GALETTO – ROCCA
    IV: MAGGIONI
    VAR: DI PAOLO
    AVAR: MAZZOLENI

    CAGLIARI – SPAL
    CHIFFI
    BINDONI – MASTRODONATO
    IV: ROS
    VAR: LA PENNA
    AVAR: PAGANESSI

    JUVENTUS – BOLOGNA Sabato 19/10 h. 20.45
    IRRATI
    IMPERIALE – BRESMES
    IV: FOURNEAU
    VAR: FABBRI
    AVAR: ALASSIO

    LAZIO – ATALANTA Sabato 19/10 h. 15.00
    ROCCHI
    TEGONI – TOLFO
    IV: MANGANIELLO
    VAR: GUIDA
    AVAR: CARBONE

    MILAN – LECCE h. 20.45
    PASQUA
    SANTORO – COLAROSSI
    IV: SERRA
    VAR: PAIRETTO
    AVAR: VIVENZI

    NAPOLI – VERONA Sabato 19/10 h. 18.00
    PICCININI
    PRETI – VALERIANI
    IV: AURELIANO
    VAR: MARIANI
    AVAR: SCHENONE

    PARMA – GENOA h. 18.00
    VALERI
    DEL GIOVANE – LO CICERO
    IV: PRONTERA
    VAR: NASCA
    AVAR: MONDIN

    SAMPDORIA – ROMA
    MARESCA
    PERETTI – CECCONI
    IV: GIUA
    VAR: BANTI
    AVAR: RANGHETTI

    SASSUOLO – INTER h. 12.30
    GIACOMELLI
    LONGO – BOTTEGONI
    IV: GHERSINI
    VAR: MAZZOLENI
    AVAR: FIORITO

    UDINESE – TORINO
    ABISSO
    DE MEO – VILLA
    IV: MASSA
    VAR: DOVERI
    AVAR: DI IORIO

    No surprises or especially big games.
     
  18. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Serie A Matchday #8

    ATALANTA – UDINESE
    MARESCA
    CARBONE – GALETTO
    IV: PRONTERA
    VAR: MANGANIELLO
    AVAR: VALERIANI

    BOLOGNA – SAMPDORIA h. 12.30
    DOVERI
    COLAROSSI – MUTO
    IV: ABBATTISTA
    VAR: ROCCHI
    AVAR: BINDONI

    FIORENTINA – LAZIO h. 20.45
    GUIDA
    MONDIN – PASSERI
    IV: PICCININI
    VAR: MAZZOLENI
    AVAR: LO CICERO

    GENOA – BRESCIA Sabato 26/10 h. 20.45
    ABISSO
    MELI – DI IORIO
    IV: PEZZUTO
    VAR: GIUA
    AVAR: TEGONI

    H. VERONA – SASSUOLO Venerdì 25/10 h. 20.45
    PAIRETTO
    GIALLATINI – VECCHI
    IV: ROBILOTTA
    VAR: MASSA
    AVAR: DI PAOLO

    INTER – PARMA Sabato 26/10 h. 18.00
    CHIFFI
    SCHENONE – BACCINI
    IV: MARIANI
    VAR: CALVARESE
    AVAR: DE MEO

    LECCE – JUVENTUS Sabato 26/10 h. 15.00
    VALERI
    ALASSIO – PAGANESSI
    IV: MASSIMI
    VAR: PASQUA
    AVAR: DI VUOLO

    ROMA – MILAN h. 18.00
    ORSATO
    MANGANELLI – FIORITO
    IV: GIACOMELLI
    VAR: IRRATI
    AVAR: CECCONI

    SPAL – NAPOLI
    LA PENNA
    RANGHETTI – VIVENZI
    IV: RAPUANO
    VAR: NASCA
    AVAR: PERETTI

    TORINO – CAGLIARI
    FABBRI
    COSTANZO – PAGLIARDINI
    IV: MARINELLI
    VAR: BANTI
    AVAR: PRETI

    Guida and Orsato have big games after their mid-week Champions League action.
     
  19. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Serie A Matchday #10 - midweek games.

    BRESCIA – INTER Martedì 29/10 h. 21.00
    FABBRI
    PERETTI – DI VUOLO
    IV: PASQUA
    VAR: AURELIANO
    AVAR: SCHENONE

    CAGLIARI – BOLOGNA
    SACCHI
    ROCCA – VILLA
    IV: PEZZUTO
    VAR: PAIRETTO
    AVAR: RANGHETTI

    JUVENTUS – GENOA
    GIUA
    VALERIANI – SANTORO
    IV: LA PENNA
    VAR: CALVARESE
    AVAR: DI IORIO

    LAZIO – TORINO
    ORSATO
    PRETI – BRESMES
    IV: ABISSO
    VAR: MARESCA
    AVAR: FIORITO

    MILAN – SPAL Giovedì 31/10 h. 21.00
    PICCININI
    DEL GIOVANE – TOLFO
    IV: VALERI
    VAR: CHIFFI
    AVAR: ALASSIO

    NAPOLI – ATALANTA h. 19.00
    GIACOMELLI
    BINDONI – LONGO
    IV: DOVERI
    VAR: BANTI
    AVAR: MANGANELLI

    PARMA – H. VERONA Martedì 29/10 h. 19.00
    MANGANIELLO
    IMPERIALE – ROSSI L.
    IV: GUIDA
    VAR: ROCCHI
    AVAR: CECCONI

    SAMPDORIA – LECCE
    MASSA
    TEGONI – CALIARI
    IV: DI MARTINO
    VAR: DI PAOLO
    AVAR: GIALLATINI

    SASSUOLO – FIORENTINA
    MARIANI
    DE MEO – PRENNA
    IV: GHERSINI
    VAR: NASCA
    AVAR: MONDIN

    UDINESE – ROMA
    IRRATI
    LO CICERO – BOTTEGONI
    IV: ILLUZZI
    VAR: MAZZOLENI
    AVAR: VIVENZI
     
  20. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    There was an incident in this game where Dzeko put his hand around Musacchio's throat. Orsato didn't see it live, and there was no VAR intervention. I'll try and find a video clip to share. I was surprised there was no VAR review. It's something that would definitely be red in MLS.
     
  21. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Complete shit show starting in minute 85 of Napoli-Atalanta.

    Napoli want a penalty -- Atalanta go down the other end to equalize. Napoli players all but refuse to restart play until Giacomelli goes and looks. VAR silent check upholds the goal. The whole process took like 6 minutes, and ended up with 2 red cards to Napoli technical staff and a yellow card. Referee completely surrounded by dissenting players -- not a good look.

    Seems a relatively clear-cut penalty. For me this rises to the level of clear and obvious. Serie A seem to be trying to put the genie back in the bottle and are fighting to a higher level of intervention compared to last season ... situations like this make the whole system seem a farce.
     
  22. RedStar91

    RedStar91 Member+

    Sep 7, 2011
    Club:
    FK Crvena Zvezda Beograd


    VAR and the new law changes making the game better all around!
     
  23. fischietto

    fischietto Member

    Apr 13, 2018
    Here’s the play

    https://streamable.com/z4jia
     
  24. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So it's pretty easy to guess what Orsato said there. Prior to Dzeko putting his hand on the defender's throat, the defender raised an arm to the neck area of Dzeko just outside the area. I'm sure the VAR described that to Orsato. So Orsato essentially says "look, there might be enough for me to send him off but then I've got to go look at the whole video and deal with both of you--so why don't we just cut the bullshit and carry on?"

    You know, he opted to manage the match and the players, rather than just being a robot slave to video.

    I'm fine with it.

    Of course, when video is supposed to catch all clear errors and everything is supposed to be objective, it's a fading art. But this used to be called "good refereeing."
     
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  25. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #50 MassachusettsRef, Oct 31, 2019
    Last edited: Oct 31, 2019
    I was ready to agree until the last angle in @RedStar91 's post. The defender 100% unequivocally catches an elbow in the face before he barrels into the attacker. You can assert or guess or surmise that he would have likely barreled into the attacker anyway--and if a penalty had been given in real-time it would have been nearly impossible to overturn. But facts are facts and there is a pretty clear foul by the attacker just prior to the defender committing his apparent foul. With that sort of evidence, I'm totally on board with this not being reviewed as a clear error.

    The protests and carding of bench personnel is an entirely different matter.
     
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