Quito En declaraciones a la prensa deportiva, uno de los encargados de diseñar el formato del torneo local en la Asociación de Fútbol No Amateur de Pichincha (AFNA), compartió las dos propuestas que le presentarán a la FEF. Vinicio Luna conversó este mediodía con los medios, para exponer las dos alternativas que presentará el balompié capitalino en la reunión que la Federación Ecuatoriana de Fútbol (FEF) llevará a cabo el próximo 14 de diciembre. El primero contempla dos torneos con dos campeones. Ambos tendrían la modalidad todos contra todos. Al igual que en México, Chile, Argentina, etc. Uno saldría del Apertura y otro del Clausura.; los tres mejores del Apertura se clasificarían a la Copa Sudamericana 2010, mientras que los tres líderes del Clausura, jugarían la Libertadores 2011. Cada campeonato constaría de 22 jornadas, que serían diseñadas en conformidad a lo que dictamina la FIFA para la realización de torneos domésticos, tomando en cuenta que el próximo año se juega la Copa del Mundo en Sudáfrica. Esta sería una competición “que premiaría la regularidad”, según Luna. El plan B de AFNA, consta de igual manera de dos torneos todos contra todos, pero con un solo campeón al año. Quiénes se impongan en el Apertura y en el Clausura, se enfrentarían en una gran final por el título de Campeón Ecuatoriano 2011. Mientras que quiénes queden en segundo lugar en ambos torneos, batallarían por el tercer cupo a la Libertadores. ¿Y la Sudamericana? Sería para los clubes que terminen el año en la cuarta, quinta y sexta posición, en una tabla acumulada. Esta sería una propuesta que incentivaría a los equipos ‘chicos’ a tener la oportunidad de una vitrina internacional, según el directivo. (DEO) what does everyone think about this... Aperatura & Clausura? I think it should be like this. I go w/ the "Plan A" on here..."Plan B sounds like their giving the smaller teams in our league a chance to play at international level w/o even working for it...might be good for our futbol in general to get them exposure, but not for the bigger teams who want to win every damn cup (Liga).
algo parecido a lo que tuvimos en el peru desde el 97 al 08 se jugaban dos torneos ya sean con 12 o 14 equipos, cada uno tenia dos rondas y a;l final de cada uno salian dos campeones que jugaban un playoff. el ganador de ese partido era el campeon y generalmente el peru 1 en la libertadores del anio siguiente. pero si el mismo que campeono en el apertura lo hacia en el clausjura ese automaticamente se convertia en el campeon nacional, o campeonaba directamente si es que el otro campeon tuvo una mala campana en el torneo que los antecedia o que le seguia./...... ejemplo: el campeon del apertura es el primero, el del clausura el ultimo 97 alianza, alianza... salo campeon nacional sin necesidad de jugar playoff 98 universitario, cristal, la U gano en el playoff por penales 99 U, Alianza, otra vez gano la U 00 U, U , no hubo playoff ya que la U lo gano todo 01 Alianza Lima, Cienciano.... alianza quedo primero en el apertura y cienciano me parece que sexto, pero en el clausura alianza quedo 11/12 y cienciano primero. osea que en el tabla general cienciano le llevaba como 15 puntos a alianza, y cristal que se convirtio en subcampeon de los dos torneos, tambien le llevaba unos 4 o 5 puntos a alianza... es por eso que para el siguiente torneo del 2002 se requeria que el campeon de uno de los torneos tenia que acabar como minimo 6to en el siguiente de lo contrario se le declaraba campeon al equipo que campeono y en el torneo siguiente o anterior ocupo una posicion digna 02 universitario, cristal. la U salio campeon en el primer tprneo y cristal quedo 5to me parece. en el clausura cristal quedo primero y la U quedo 10mo! es por es que cristal se corono campeon automaticamente... 03 cristal, alianza.... aqui hubo una huelga de jugadores que se efectuo en el octubre del 2003. cristal habia salido campeon en el apertura, y en el clausura faltando 5 fecjhas alianza le aventajaba por 3 puntos al boys. si las fechas seguian facil y boys campeonbaba porque practicaba el mejor futbol de ese entonces, pero se le decidio dar el titulo del clausura a alianza, y la final se jugo en enero del 2004 04 alianza, cristal.... otra vez los dos acabaron primero, y quedaron 6tos o mejores en los torneos donde no campeonaron, jugaron la final y la gano alianza 05 cienciano, cristal.... los dos campeonaron en sus respectivas fechas, y no quedaron mal en los torneos que no salieron campeones.... al final gano cristal 06 alianza, cienciano.... parecido a los del 2005, solo que gano alianza 07 san martin, bolognesi.... en el clausura la san martin quedo 5ta, pero en el apertura el bolo quedo 10mo. por tal motivo sucedio lo mismo del 2002 no hubo playoff 08 universitario, san martin, otra vez mas la U acabo 8va en e siguiente torneo y no jugo playoff dandole asi el bicampeonato a la san martin.... y sobre los terceros puestos la cosa a sido asi....... en el 97 jugaron un playoff los dos subcampeones de cada torneo y el que los gano acabo segundo, el que los perdio tercero 08 en el 98, el boys quedo primero en la tabla acumulada cosa que le permitio quedar como tercero en el 99, el tercero fue cristal por puntos y asi sucesivamente
that's too much to read....... pass. Guys I think that the second one is better ... more climactic and makes little teams strive to reach as high as they can as well. getting more ecuadorian teams into international tournaments is great... it makes our futbol grow EVEN MORE than it has. even teams that just missed the libertadores by a hair can still make it to another prestigious tournament like Sudamericana. I go for plan B. I don't like plan A.... having two champs in basically one season that's imaginarily divided into 2 does not appeal to me and it just doesnt feel right to have two champs in basically one seasonal cycle beit if you call it "apertura" or "clausura" So if it comes down to dividing the tournament... then plan B is that best ! It's like the final being like a "Re-final" between the winners of both "halves" ... much more excitement and suspense building as one team and a nation wait for its worthy adversary.
what makes each game more important to play? that should be the determining question because it will put people in the stands for more games and in bigger numbers. go with what's best for turnout.
I'm not going to lie... the 2009 format confused the hell out of me. Win the first stage qualify for the third stage. Then split into groups and play your groupmates, but ALSO a team from the other group, win this stage qualify for the third stage. Split into two groups and play your groupmates, have team captains engage in [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jlDhyhr8FhM"]Russian Slapping Match[/ame], best slappers qualify for fourth stage. Playoffs from best two teams in third stage = champion, when you could have just picked the team that finished first in stage 1... am I right? It all seems so ridiculously contrived. Why not have a stage 5 6 and 7? you can split into groups of 3 and 2 and 4 and have them play teams from Morocco and play a round where they have to play volleyball and then the 2nd best team in each stages gets to go through to the final stage. What they ought to do, is do one annual single table, like stage 1. 12 teams playing each other. Best one is champ. 2nd place gets slot 2 for Libertadores. Then take 1 - 8 and do a playoffs/cup for the 3rd libertadores and the 2 Sudamericana spots. Do a little different, have 1st play 2nd and 3rd play 4th 5th v 6th and 7th v 8th. This way you won't have both 1 and 2 in the final of the cup and give the teams further behind a chance at some silverware. Like 90% of the other countries on the planet... LEAGUE + CUP. Or like the playoffs in the U.S. only whats at stake is last Lib spot and cup trophy not league championship. This way, we would get as many as 5 different teams playing internationally, and at least 4 (since one of the campeon or vice-campeon could still qualify for both Libertadores and Sudamericana. And it will still be somewhat interesting to the teams at the bottom. True they won't have a shot at being crowned champion (why SHOULD they?) but they still might sneak into sudamericana, or even libertadores with a good run. There weren't that many points between 12th and 8th this season.
El Racing de Argentina quiere Pablo Palacios y Claudio Bieler... maximos goleadores del 2008 y 2009 respectivamente. Los dos son pretendidos por Racing uno de los mas grandes equipos de Argentina.
I think they have.. I don't follow Argentine football religiously but I think they haven't been doing too well these few seasons.
I think the new way the tournament will be played for 2010 will be better than the one of this year. Let's see what happens.
Ya estan Ratificados Banguera , Nazareno a Palacios se le puso un cheque de $600.000 hoy el mismo decide si se queda o se va.! Contratado Piriz defensa Uruguayo el torero del extranjero es Henry Leon ex espoli . Montenegro de River p ecuador El cocacho macias Luis miguel garces Jugaran en barcelona se va Encina viene un delantero Brasileño y el segundo arquero de Barcelona esta entre villafuerte y Daniel viteri
Luis "el chucho" Bolanos es nuevo jugador de Barcelona SC. Now this is a smart move. Better for him, he needed to get out of Brasil and come back to Ecuador to get minutes! If no other team in Ecuador wanted him, they're crazy, I'm sure he'll get all the minutes he can get in Barcelona.. Welcome Chucho to Guayaquil, and regain your form and succeed again. Leon y Garces tambien nuevos para Barcelona SC. I'm so pissed Pablo Palacios is still not a done deal yet. He is a true Barcelonista. Rumors.... that Ibarra might become el otro arquero del equipo. La Noche Amarilla is gonna be against Sao Paulo and in Quito, our other home, against Universidad Catolica. positive note: La página oficial de Barcelona destaca que jugadores de primera y juveniles, personal administrativo y operativo se encuentran al día en el pago de remuneraciones por sueldos. Entre las prioridades de este directorio, ha estado el mantenerse al día en los sueldos con empleados, buscando la tranquilidad que les permita disfrutar estas navidades llenas de Amor y Paz para en sus familias. Para el presidente de la institución, estar al día en lo sueldos, es un logro importantisimo, esperando que desde ahora en adelante la institucion no vuelva a tener los atrasos que han sido comunes en clubes e instituciones deportivas.
how old are you ??? He has NO career as it is in Inter! Don't you get that?? Now let your ultra ligita mentality slip for once, and realize that the best thing for him is to come back to Ecuador and get all the playing time he will get! Be grateful Barcelona rescued him from Brasil, where he was rotting. He will no doubt be a starter all the time in El Idolo de Ecuador. And we will be seeing him in the NT in no time.. Now you can return to your ultra ligita fandom mentality and resume to go blind. Welcome Chucho to BSC ! p.s. Macara is very close to signing Kaviedes ... wtf
Did I say I wanted him to stay in Inter?? I think not...stop assuming sh*t you moron. Your team won't get anywhere this season either, just letting you know in advance. hahaha that's gonna be the funny part. I can talk ish all day about your team because your outcome is so predictable AND also b/c you suck compared Liga. PERIOD. And before you even say you saved Luis Bolanos....go back a step and remember what happened to Cristian Lara 2 seasons back (the goleador of el campeonato 07 going to Barcelona...BIG FAIL. That's just an example, not everyone succeeds in your "idolo"...you guys aren't Liga). On another note, Macara is trying to get on point this season: Wilson Folleco, Pedro Larrea, Israel Chango, Victor Estupinan, and Ivan Kaviedes are just some names of players that are joining Macara. Kaviedes isn't official, but everyone else is. I wanted to see Estupinan succeed in Liga, but good luck to him in Macara I'm sure he'll do good and hopefully return to us when he's ready.
great news indeed. Looks like Barcelona is trying to get past last season. I see a good team with Bolanos, Encina, Oyola, Macias, Hidalgo, Samudio, maybe Palacios?, Hurtado, Nazareno, Perlaza, Banguera, ... Leon, Montenegro, and Garces only time will tell if they measure up. Hopefully Ibarra does come to EL IDOLO as the other keeper... he's not bad at all ... just dont put him on the NT lol
and the barcelona website shut down due to lack of funds LOL ARGENTINE FUTBOL MADE ME LAUGH TODAY...go ahead, have fun with el JUDAS BOLANOS...see if he gets you anywhere. Your team is broke, your coach is horrible, and you guys are depending too much on Bolanos to save your asses. It's obvious Bolanos went to Barcelona b/c he doesn't give 2 sh*ts about his career anymore, he wants another vacation. And he gonna get it!
yea but you forget to put my post in which I corrected him ... YOU FAIL ......AGAIN.... womp womp woooooomp now don't get your panties in a bunch ! p.s. I swear you must be the biggest Barcelona fan because you are the one that talks about it the most .... keep us in mind... and go rub one out to relieve the stress about "judas". pobrecito el nino esta ardido .. jua jua jua
Who are you arguing with Guayaquileño? It seems to me like your talking to yourself. Of course, I have the forum settings option to turn off all posts made by fans of teams who have won less than 13 titles. I can't stand all the inane comments from fans of smaller teams. What club does the kid you're arguing with support anyways? Aucas?
The club you support has no international titles, NONE! I can't believe you guys aren't embarrassed?!?! 13 titles in the ecua futbol?? are you seriously gonna bring that up as your back up?? hahahaha Liga can win 5 straight years if they want to, but then again they'd have to be sitting at home and not participating in any international cups...just like you guys. and still your monitos can't win anything and spend about 5 times more money than us. smaller teams?? lol your own damn fans know your team remains small. all your guayaco commentators criticize the hell out of your team every day saying "cuando seremos como Liga", "cuando tendremos nosotros los mismos logros de Liga"....and I'm not making this up. LOL your own commentators don't have the courage to say that Barcelona is the greatest team in Ecuador anymore because of us. WE'RE the freakin IDOLOS, we're always in your mouths...you guys looks up to our accomplishments and obviously deep down inside you guys are pissed that we made it big and you've remained small....too bad so sad. Barcelona is a horrible team, with horrible management, horrible players, and horrible fans (who look up to Liga's accomplishments...who does that?!?!). And the funniest part is that you guys are broke!! It's far too easy to just throw ish at you guys, such an EASY TARGET...if you have not realized by now. Anything negative you wanna say about Liga?? Have we won too many international titles?? whats the problem?? I may have been pissed that Luis Bolanos chose to play in that ish over us, but it doesn't match up to how ARDIDO you guys have been for the past 12 years!! and even in the 90's you guys were ardidos that your team didn't win the libertadores!! LOL so by now, I can only IMAGINE how the anger is boiling up inside you to see how we're the most successful team....oh how it hurts