Serbia vs CHILE, 14 de noviembre en St.Gallen (Amistoso) [R]

Discussion in 'Chile: Selecciones Nacionales' started by JAIME CHILE, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Iván Zamorano, Fabián Estay and Hugo Rubio(ex-Cobreloa) played in St.Gallen F.C. 20 years ago. At that time, Switzerland -in terms of football- was a kind a "nowhere land" for us.

    Weather in Santiago: 16°, cloudy, a bit windy, and wet. We'll have rain tonight.:)
     
  2. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Mi equipo para el miércoles (si es que no se lesiona nadie más, usando el 3-5-2 que usa Borghi habitualmente):

    Pinto;
    Medel, O.González, M.González;
    Iturra, Vidal, Seymour, Gutiérrez,
    Fernández;
    Sánchez, Henríquez.

    Toselli; Jara, Rojas; Opazo, Díaz, Mena, Aránguiz, Beausejour; Vargas, Muñoz.

    No me desagradaría para nada que Toselli, Aránguiz y Muñoz fueran titulares.
     
  3. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Swiss clubs were weaker before, only Grasshoppers and Basel were the best.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grasshopper_Club_Zürich

    Chilean Sebastian Rozental also played in this club.

    Chilean Marcelo Diaz plays in Basel, or Basilea.:D
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FC_Basel

    Basel is much better now, with few good results of Young Boys, Thun before. Both of this clubs have Croatian traces before and now:

    Basel: Stjepan Vuleta, Ivan Rakitic, Mladen Petric, Boris Smiljanic,

    They consider: Aurélien Chappuis, Admir Seferagic as Croats, which is strange, Chappuis maybe has partial heritage, but Seferagic is a Bosnian Muslim.

    In ladies team, they have Kristina Sundov, Dalmatian surname.

    Grasshoppers: Daniel Pavlovic, Davor Landeka, Luka Bonacic, Ivan Hitrec, Tomislav Erceg (H is missing:D), Aleksandar Zivkovic. The last one played there in 1931. Ivan Hitec and Luka Bonacic are also much older players.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandar_Živković_(footballer_born_1912)

    Croats in Switzerland:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croats_of_Switzerland
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croats_of_Switzerland

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    I have noticed that Felipe Seymour Dobud is also Swiss Chilean, but also English Chilean.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Chilean
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swiss_Chilean

    Dobud is Croatian surname. Area of Dubrovnik. Very rare surname.
    http://imehrvatsko.net/namepages/view/family_name/prezime-Dobud

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikša_Dobud

    Budan means "Awake", "Despierto".
    Do means "Close to", "Cerca". "Cerca de persona que es despierta", something like this maybe.

    Switzerland is taking Hernan Buchi Buć.:D Buć is also Croatian surname, this probably means the sound, when you jump in the sea. (Bootsch). This one is from Dubrovnik, lawyer, politician, journalist, he got his PhD in Switzerland.:D
    http://hr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stjepan_Buć

    He wrote something about origins of Croats, Goth theory.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theories_on_the_origin_of_Croats

    I don't know what is correct here. They write here about very distant history. But this is correct for sure: "It can be said that the Croats are "the most European people", as no other people have such a high share of this major (and probably the only) Paleolithic European haplogroup."

    I like the autochtohonous theory.:whistling: Allthough this theory is hard to understand.:D But we have indigenous heritage from earlier nations (Illyrians) on Balkan Peninsula, aborigenes europeos.:thumbsup:

    Illyrians have much longer history. Some of them are connected with mythology.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rulers_of_Illyria

    Dalmatia, Liburnia, Segestica, Mursa, Siscia are Croatian places in those days.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ancient_Cities_in_Illyria

    Illyrian places, regions on the map:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illyria

    Will Chilean fans arrive from Chile? I will try to watch this game, because Croatia plays against Croatia national league best players. Not so interesting. This is the list of best national league players: surname, name and club.

    http://www.index.hr/sport/clanak/po...za-njih-ili-za-stimcevu-hrvatsku-/645102.aspx

    Seven players of Dinamo Zagreb, three of Hajduk Split, two players of Rijeka and Slaven Belupo, other clubs have one player. Some of national league players will play for national team, for example Domagoj Vida (RB, CB, DM, RM, RF) - his usual positions in recent period.:D Some other players are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Croatia_national_football_team
    This is best what Croatian football can offer I think.

    You don't have Valdivia on your list?
     
  4. zasal911

    zasal911 Member

    Sep 1, 2000
    - injured
    - not on team for disciplinary issues
     
  5. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  6. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Other Chilean players played in Switzerland too: Lucas Tudor(Sion), José E.Carrasco(Lugano), Ramón Pérez(Bellinzona), Jorge Valdivia(Servette), Jean Beausejour(Servette), etc.

    I don't think any Chilean fan will travel to Switzerland to attend this match.

    For sure you'll see thousands of Chileans fans inside the St.Gallen's stadium, but they live in Europe (France, Germany, Sweden, Spain, etc.).
     
  7. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
  8. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    A delegation of five from the Chilean Federation is traveling to see this game and see how Borghi does. Why do they need five people to assess Borghi is beyond me.
     
  9. Ohiginiano

    Ohiginiano Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    El Teniente Stadium
    Club:
    O Higgins Rancagua
    Hector Tapia played at Thun, Richard Zambrano and Patricio Mardones played for St Gallen, I believe.
     
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  10. HeartandSoul

    HeartandSoul Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2007
    The Garden State
    Club:
    CD Colo Colo
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Adding to the list: Eduardo Rubio played for Basel.
     
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  11. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Carlos Muñoz se lesionó ayer, por lo que Borghi nominó de urgencia a Felipe Flores, del mismo club.

    Mi equipo para el miércoles (si es que no se lesiona nadie más, usando el 3-5-2 que usa Borghi habitualmente):

    Pinto;
    Medel, O.González, M.González;
    Iturra, Vidal, Seymour, Gutiérrez,
    Fernández;
    Sánchez, Henríquez.

    Toselli; Jara, Rojas; Opazo, Díaz, Mena, Aránguiz, Beausejour; Vargas, Flores.

    No me desagradaría para nada que Toselli, Aránguiz y Muñoz fueran titulares.
     
  12. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    Marcos González llegó con problemas físicos desde Brasil.:thumbsdown:

    Según el corresponsal de Cooperativa en Suiza, la formación para este miércoles será con:

    Pinto;
    Rojaso_O,
    O.González, Jara:rolleyes:;
    Aránguiz, Medel, Vidal, Beausejouro_O,
    Fernández;
    Sánchez, Vargas:rolleyes:.

    A la banca irían Toselli; M.González; Opazo, Seymour, Díaz, Iturra, Mena, Gutiérrez; Flores y Henríquez.
     
  13. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Alguien me podría decir a qué hora es el partido?? gracias
     
  14. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    A las 16:00 de Chile continental. Muy mala hora.:thumbsdown:
     
  15. JAIME CHILE

    JAIME CHILE Member+

    Apr 26, 2006
    V.Alemana y Stgo
    Club:
    Cobreloa Calama
    Nat'l Team:
    Chile
    BAJAS hasta ahora:

    Claudio Bravo (volvió a la Real Sociedad porque no está al 100%)
    Johnny Herrera (no considerado por Borghi)
    Waldo Ponce (en recuperación de una larga lesión)
    Pablo Contreras (lesionado)
    Carlos Carmona (no considerado por Borghi)
    Marco Estrada (no considerado por Borghi)
    Mauricio Isla (sancionado)
    Charles Aránguiz (con problemas en la cadera)
    Jorge Valdivia (no considerado por Borghi)
    Cristóbal Jorquera (desgarrado)
    Mark González (operado tras un golpe en un entrenamiento en su club)
    Esteban Paredes (no considerado por Borghi)
    Fabián Orellana (no considerado por Borghi)
    Antenor "Junior" Fernándes (no considerado por Borghi)
    Humberto Suazo (desgarrado)
    Carlos Muñoz (lesionado)
    Sebastián Pinto (lesionado en un aductor)

    Marcos González llegó con problemas físicos desde Brasil. Quizás vaya a la banca.

    Formación ante Serbia:

    M.Pinto;
    Rojas:rolleyes:,
    O.González, Jarao_O;
    Iturra, Medel, Vidal, Beausejour:rolleyes:,
    Fernández;
    Sánchez, Vargaso_O
     
  16. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    I am watching the game now. They have the ball, Duricic had a chance. Serbian fans sing derogatory words: Ubij, zakolji, da Šiptar ne postoji! (Kill, slaughter, so that Albanian doesn't exist). Diaspora fans only, still without any evolution.:)
    Jara hasn't done anything, cheap Serbian simulation.
    They attacked him, silly approach.
    To bad now, goal for them.
    So far, Serbia has domination, Chile needs to change something, more running, close tackles, they are not so fast and they can't run all the time.
     
  17. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Nos están dando baile, Adios Boghi, al fin tendrá que irse el parrillero.
     
  18. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Commentator talked about the possible last match of Claudio Borghi tonight, his bad relations with Chilean media, he organized press conference there, just so that he can say how media write against him. Chile started to dominate now, after this goal. They should play like this much earlier.
    Sinisa Mihajlovic is also close to the exit door, because of his results. Who wins tonight, he will continue to work I think.
    Serbs can't follow those fast passes. Commentator says good things about Chilean football, but he thinks that Argentine coaches brought some kind of revolution: Sampaoli, Bielsa and Borghi. This commentator says SAMPAIO. Serbian commentator, what can I say.:)
    Two good opportunities at the end of the halftime.
     
  19. johansome

    johansome Member

    Jul 23, 2005
    Toronto
    Am surprised we are only loosing 1-0
     
  20. toepunt

    toepunt Member

    Aug 24, 2003
    North America
    Un solo tiro al arco en todo el primer tiempo.
     
  21. johansome

    johansome Member

    Jul 23, 2005
    Toronto
    Down 2-0 and Borghi takes out a forward and sends in a midfielder...
     
  22. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    3-0. This is very, very bad. Defending is slow, team has no chemistry, and the attack is always the same idea. Que asco Borghi.
     
  23. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Claudio Borghi should resign, I don't know what should happen more. Serbs will win now, to bad. Their fans are singing another derogatory song: Kosovo je srce Srbije (Kosovo is the heart of Serbia). Independent state, but still their dream. Now we must be carefull against them in March. They could get more confidence now. In Europe, Serbia is considered as a team with great defense only, but without creativity. Odds were on the Chilean side: 2.1 3.1 3.2 for Serbia. Maybe we could see some conflicts and some more fouls.
    I could say that Serbs used some verbal provocations, thats why we see the reaction of Vidal. I wouldn't blame him so much, they use a lot of provocations.
    Chile made one error, they played 3-5-2. This formation is old Yugoslav football school. Croatia used this formation in 90's. 4-3-3, 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1. They don't like wingers who run very fast, but Chile played slower today.
     
  24. johansome

    johansome Member

    Jul 23, 2005
    Toronto
    Am amazed what Bielsa did with this team and what Borghi has done... Imagine this Chile in the World Cup with Holland, Brazil or Spain...

    Renuncia Parillero de mierda!!
     
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  25. Gilbertsson

    Gilbertsson Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Apr 1, 2012
    Geneva
    Club:
    Toronto Croatia
    Nat'l Team:
    Japan
    Huge contrast: South Africa - St. Gallen and few previous matches in qualifications. Borghi should just continue with the Bielsa postulates, fourth red card in four matches, two red cards for Vidal. At least one goal for Chile now.
    Another derogatory words, but this time against Chilean players: "Malo vas je, malo vas je pickice" "A few of you, a few of you little p....es". So much about their "friendly" emotions.
    Somebody should report all these lyrics to UEFA officials. Nobody understands this. Nothing good could come out from their fans.
    Barbaric people.
    Second and third Serbian goal should be stopped, slow reactions, no strict covering.
    Animo Chile !
     

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