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Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Faster pace but also more open. In Italy it’s a slower game but there’s less space. Even the big teams play like minnows (Milan, Napoli)

    But that’s not to say that Grifo wouldn’t have done well. I think the opposite. He probably would have thrived in Italy had he transferred years ago. He has the qualities that Italian managers love. For me the fact that he was ignored for so long is proof that it’s an agent issue.
     
  2. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I hope so
     
  3. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    100% I am looking at 2028 as Euro 88 and 2030 as Italia 90.
    I want our average age to be 25 now and peak in 2030.
     
  4. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Yes 82 06 2021 68 are basically the oldest teams to win ... it's usually 26-27 average Italy is the anomaly more or less. Arg 2022 were just under 28 at like 27.8 but we tend to peak old but to get there we need a generation that gets experience. The 98-2004 generation peaked in 2006 after many finals with their clubs and italy. 2020 is similar as Chiellini Bonnucci Jorginho Insigne Immobile Verratti core finally won something big after some CL final losses etc.

    2020 is actually very similar to 1982 where we then failed to qualify for 84 and were bad in 86.
    82 like 2020 came after disaster and was a mix of the old guard of the 70s and a small amount of younger players from the late 70s but it was actually the start of a cycle that was not really ready to show up until 88.

    Similarly the reforms after 2017 were not going to show up in 2021-2026. It will be 2028 where we finally see the youth trained after those changes emerge just as we saw in 88. Let's hope we have another Mancini Baggio Maldini coming through.
     
  5. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    He is literally the all time top goal scorer as well as most assists ever in Freiburg, a midtable Bundesliga team that just made the Europa Final. There is no doubt he would've thrived in Serie A, this shouldn't even be a question.
     
  6. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Look I don't know anything about that just saying 2006 both Finalists were the 2 oldest in the tournament. I have no idea of the other tournaments.

    I know in 1982 Dino Zoff and Franco Causio increased the average age.

    Earlier comment was correct. The core was from the 4th Place team from 1978 and 4th at Euro'80. Plus having Enzo Bearzot for continuity.
     
  7. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    De Zerbi and Tottenham are pushing hard to get Tonali. What the hell is going on?!
     
  8. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Levy won't spend that money. It will be City or United. Wrote it on the Transfers thread.
     
  9. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    2 shitty teams with miserable fans. Too bad Italian clubs are poor
     
  10. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004


    Should all be in A next year
     
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  11. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Yes which is very promising as bad as teams agents managers were in the lead up to the recent disasters. There was not this level of young talent until very recently. Then possibly Koleosho and of course Inacio Leoni and others should get first team minutes in top leagues and in the CL. While Pisilli Pio Camarda Palestra Lipani are already in Serie A.
     
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  12. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Unfortunately when we look at Euro 2020 we see it was a patch work of three separate generations. There were some good players left over but very little depth. This left us vulnerable.
    We will need to be patient and hope the numbers are coming for 28/30/32 to align with players like Calafiori Donnarumma Tonali yes even Bastoni.
     
  13. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Malagò: “It is not enough to have Italians playing in Italy; we need suitable and competent people.”


    During an event at the Circolo Canottieri Aniene in Rome for the presentation of a book by Ivan Zazzaroni, FIGC presidential candidate Giovanni Malagò made several remarks about the current state of Italian football.


    “Without naming names, an important coach told me in recent days that the boys were fantastic,” Malagò said. “But he also told me that we didn’t win because we were the strongest. We are not the strongest, but the most capable. In other national teams, 17- and 18-year-old players have already moved on to other destinations, while we continue to involve them in the youth sector.”


    Malagò then added:


    “If you go and look, count how many national-team players from Germany, Portugal, Turkey, or other countries are not playing in their home country. In Portugal’s national team, nine out of eleven players play outside Portugal. So the problem is not simply getting Italians to play in Italy. When you are able to identify the right people and give them trust, you can get them to embrace ideas that they may not initially like.”


    In conclusion, the former CONI president left no doubt:


    “It is clear to anyone who understands these dynamics that, with the system of mutual vetoes, there are completely different interests involved. Just think about the difference between someone who plays in the Third Division and someone who prepares a team for a Champions League match. What is needed is discussion and dialogue. A great deal of patience is needed, and one must not be on one side or the other. The choice of people is crucial: competence matters, and the federal system needs the right people.”
     
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  14. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    I'd laugh so hard if Milan gets more Italian players coming in than Juve.
     
  15. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    They're not.
     
  16. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    So we are basically Iraq in terms of how well we play. :(
     
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  17. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Iraqs backline at least knows each other what the heck was this?

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  18. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Nothing beats this lineup vs Switzerland in the Euros.
     

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  19. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Di Lorenzo and Cristante that’s rough

    Here's my 442

    Esposito
    Inacio

    Koleosho Tonali Fagioli Palestra

    Ruggeri Calafiori Scalvini Kayode
     
  20. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    What is Barella’s role going forward bench or starter
     
  21. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Darmian and SES on the left side are prolly the weakess left side known to man.
     
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  22. WPG_Azzurri

    WPG_Azzurri Member

    Italy
    Mar 25, 2025
    The SES pull was something else. You could feel the desperation through the TV watching this match.

    Man it has been a rough few years; lol.
     
  23. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    #19223 Vieri#9, Jun 16, 2026
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2026
    Who knows, we have like 10 midfielders that could all potentially start for us.

    We really have a lot of great midfielders that are all very similar but no standouts. Perhaps Tonali but even he was playing bad towards the end of the season.
     
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  24. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Messi raped algeria
     
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  25. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
     
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