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Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It’s great that Juve want to build an Italian core, but I would to urge them to look away from Chiesa and Berardi.
     
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  2. lt22677

    lt22677 Member+

    Napoli
    Italy
    Jul 10, 2022
    Beh vediamo noi oltre a questo mentalità ABBIAMO avuto un buco temporale che va dal 2000 al 2017(, e ns NAZIONALI GIOVANILI del periodo ERANO ATROCI per dire nel 2016 con la ns U19 arrivammo in FINALE, MA SENZA SEGNARE UN GOAL Da AZIONE SOLO GOAL DA CALCIO DI PUNIZIONE o RIGORE per dire il capocannoniere di quel team ERA DIMARCO CON 4 RETI SU 5:eek: POI in finale trovammo la FRANCIA che CI TRITURO' SENZA PIETA' in PRATICA NON RIUSCIMMO NEANCHE A SUPERARE LA META' CAMPO) i pratica I FRUTTI DEL LAVORO DI ARRIGHE (SACCHI) che faceva riempire le squadre di MEDIANI e PRIME PUNTE e SFANCULANDO i numeri "10" (Sacchi cesso' nel 2014, ma quella classe di età era stata impostata nel 2010)

    https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Campionato_europeo_maschile_under_19_di_calcio_2016





    https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=italy+u19+france+2016
     
  3. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    I do wonder if they would still have rumored to do this had we qualified to the UCL. It's probably by default because no decent foreigner wants to come.

    Despite being s Juve fan, IMO, for Italy's POV better he stays at Liverpool.
     
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  4. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Unless Liverpool want to sell Leoni at a loss because of his injury, I really don’t see how Juve can even afford him right now. The time to buy Leoni was when he was 17 and playing for Samp. But of course Italian teams incapable of seeing which way the wind is blowing. Always a day late and dollar short.

    I urge Juve to go after Reggiani, Mane, Chiarodia before their values increase
     
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  5. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
     
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  6. Sam De Martino

    as roma
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2021
    As long as he is fit and praying no mors injuries.then i think leoni will be playing regularly under iraola at liverpool. Leoni has everything to become world class
     
  7. Sam De Martino

    as roma
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2021
    We need him for the national team badly.
     
  8. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    #19133 AGomes, Jun 13, 2026
    Last edited: Jun 13, 2026
    FWIW, Roger Ibanez made the correct decision to pass on Italy when Mancio went calling. Now he's in the Starting 11 at the WC.

    Leoni needs to stay at Liverpool. He got his ACL out the way. Next season I want 1,000 plus Minutes from him. September callup. No ********ing around.
     
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  9. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    A big year from Leoni and he sky rockets to the top of the CB list, that game he got injured in he was being praised for the way he played too. Shame he went down. Would be our first elite CB in a number of years if he pans out. Also with Ibanez shows Mancini has a good eye for talent, but also how bad the talent pool was there
     
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  10. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Day 3 and 14 teams have seen action counting the current Haiti vs Scotland match.

    Not one tteam has played in a 3-5-2 that 14/20 Serie A clubs and the Italy team play!!!!

    Some sources list South Africa (2-0 losers) as 3-5-2 but most outlets have them as 5-3-2.

    Just watching the football world pass them by.
     
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  11. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    The only national team that I recall played a 3 man defense and was successful was the 2002 Brazil team. But they had Roberto Carlos, Cafu, Ronaldinho, Rivaldo, and Ronaldo lol.

    Other than a few of the non-Bayern German teams, no one outside of Italy plays a 3 back that is remotely good.

    The times we made the final (Euro 2000, Euro 2012, Euro 2020, World Cup 2006) was always a 4 man back. I'm not going back further, this is just recent times. Even all our successful youth teams never play a 3 back.
     
  12. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Yes, I believe it was you that listed the very few winners of this formation.

    Incidentally I see the 4-4-2 creeping back ever so slightly.
     
  13. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    I know I'm preaching to the choir and you all already know but this is what Morocco's 18 YO did today. Of course Morocco could never in their wildest dreams could produce him, France had to. He played over 2,300 Minutes for Lille last season across all competitions. He doesn't have any offensive punch but that could change.
    improve.
     
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  14. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    So many teams at this world cup using 442 should we keep it simple and do the same?


    --------------Inacio--------Pio
    DiMarco---Tonali---Barella---Koleosho
    Calafiori---Leoni---Scalvini---Palestra
    ---------------------Gigio
     
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  15. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    We would have qualified with a team like that with the right coach back to basics is best sometimes!
     
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  16. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Usa play with 3 at the back. upload_2026-6-13_23-5-14.png
     
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  17. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Big win for Australia tonight. Lots of Italians on that team. Volpato, Circati, Italiano, then a DMF named Okon-Englster, whose position and name sounded very familiar. His younger brother is one of the best players on our U17 champion team, he has also played for Australia U17 so hopefully he sticks with us. Antonio Arena is another.
     
  18. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Yes hopefully we can cap Arena he looks like a player
     
  19. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
  20. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    OK. This makes sense. Last week when I pulled up pictures of Okon-Englster I kept getting pictures of a player that looked nothing like Gianluca. I was looking at pictures of his brother Paul.

    Italy once again showed they are asleep at the wheel. Circati has an U20 Italy Appearance and could have grabbed him before he went to Australia. He's a good player but Scalvini adds more offensive punch and Giovanni Leoni is right there pushing his way through.

    He's the Captain of the Socceroos. This one might have worked out for all sides.
     
  21. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    #19146 Leo Bartoni, Jun 14, 2026
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2026
    Both Australia were playing with three in the back however, as did Switzerland. Czech and South Korea both with a 3-4-2-1 as well. Scotland went with an interesting 4-4-2, as did Canada. At least the 4-4-2 is not dead, the next coach for Italy could consider that.
     
  22. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    You would have qualified if Bastoni didn't get a dumb red, or Kean could hit the net at least once more.
     
  23. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    I wrote 3-5-2.
     
  24. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    The only reason Canada got back in the game is that Bosnia was tired. Canada better fitness, but horrible at taking and making passes, like really really bad.
     
  25. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    Formations aren't static though. The important aspect of the 3-5-2 is three in the back. After that, tactics are constantly on swtich and fluid. Like for example, that formation wasn't the problem vs Norway where Italy played four in the back. The problem was Dimarco and Di Lorenzo are not defenders, not on their team and shouldn't be on the national team. Coaches that used them poorly.
     

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