Senior Team Discussion

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Gattuso turned out to be a fraud, I can't believe he swindled Lazio into hiring him, isn't he suppose to be living outside of Italy? What a fraud, he talked all this shit about other nations when they would've beaten us in the end that sorry loser. Sorry AGomes, USA prolly would've beaten us if it was a due or die WCQ game, that's how little belief I had on our team.

    People love to clown on Totti and Cassano for being dumb, at least they aren't Buffon trusting that fraud to lead us to glory.
     
  2. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    Mixed reviews but mostly positive.

     
  3. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Sì, intendevo dal 2018!
    che ho imparato da te.

    I was referring the decade of the 2010s not the year 2010.
     
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  4. lt22677

    lt22677 Member+

    Napoli
    Italy
    Jul 10, 2022
    Diciamo che sulla corsia sx io SPERO TANTISSIMO in MATTEO COCCHI(2007 inter)

    https://www.gazzetta.it/Calcio/Seri...cchi-il-2007-che-ha-debuttato-a-bologna.shtml
     
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  5. WPG_Azzurri

    WPG_Azzurri Member

    Italy
    Mar 25, 2025
    100%.

    Ultimately, it is all for nothing if the youth does not get developed and fizzles out. But it is such a cop out for some of these teams to critique the "flaws" and "issues" with a young player. They are not a finished product. WTF do you expect??

    As you said, they are going toe to toe and simply beating players who are at the top academies in the world. A lot of whom go onto realize their potential, while our players rot away on benches in Serie B.

    I feel like a broken record (as I know others do over the past years) but it makes it even harder to stomach when the talent is actually there, but never given the proper development path. Thus, players rot away, and the NT suffers.
     
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  6. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    In the last seven U17 European Championships, Italy has reached the final four times, more than any other country.

    How is it possible that this entire talent pool is so poorly developed and that we end up in this state?​

     
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  7. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    1 more step for the U17's.

    I swear Biondini, the Captain, is such an alpha. Before the PK shootout at the centre circle he was holding court to the Referee and his Assistants. Then the Spain U17 Captain arrived and if I didn't know any better it was as as if Biondini was explaining to them how the PK shootout was going to be conducted. The Spain Captain and Referee had a laugh and the Referee had to reel him in and pull rank. Hilarious. Forza Azzurrini.
     
  8. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    #18783 AGomes, Jun 4, 2026
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2026
    Sure. In a ridiculous 3-5-2 against teams in a low block with a donkey as a CT, probably. But I agree with a comment TC made, if they qualified it would have taken the burden off them and played more free.
     
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  9. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    With that lineup it would have been hit or miss, he would have rode those players and that 3-5-2 to the death
     
  10. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    That captain was Marcelo's son btw, he was a sub that came the closest to scoring an open goal the entire game with a goal line clearance from us. Dude looks legit.
     
  11. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Nah, we were always lost even if we qualified. The Euros were the perfect example. Our team was spineless, had no grit, no will to do whatever it took to win. We always looked weak and exhausted.

    Everytime we got the ball on the wings, we were scared. Never once did our guys say you know what, I'm better than this guy who plays in Serie B. And guess how we lost, they weren't scared providing countless crosses which was a matter of time they would've scored one, which they did. And I don't give a damn Bastoni was out, if he was in they still would've tied us. They were relentless while Dimarco and Politano were scarred.

    The two Norway games also showed it, never once did we say we are better. If we made the WC, the Swiss would've carved us up just like they did in the Euros. And what's funny is that was the reasoning we brought in Gattuso, to instill that grinta into the group which never manifested. But Gattuso is a bum anyway.
     
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  12. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    I thought that was all he brought, maybe too much of it but that's in comparison to how checked out they looked under Spalletti's last few games. Gattuso was very poor in his substitutions. In that second game vs Norway, Italy pressed them back for the whole of the first half and were unlucky to not be up by at least 2. Gattuso left very tired Dimarco and Di Lorenzo in far too long and eventually that allowed Norway to come forward with ease. Mancini stopped closing the space on Haaland that he was doing very well in the first half. He tends to check out and go attention deficit too often. Giving Haaland and Nusa space cost Italy dearly. Gattuso wholely incapable of fixing these errors but good at putting sometimes too much intensity too soon into his players. He has a history of doing this. Not a great tactician though.
     
  13. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Incidentally I hate that Baldini gave Inacio 5 Minutes yesterday. So this counts as an Appearance. So when/if he has a barren spell the talking heads will cite something like "he has only 3 goals in 11 games for Italy", and who the ******** will remember he got 5 Minutes but it's considered an Apparearance. Bah, I'm grumpy. I cannot believe it's happened again.
     
  14. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    You don't think he is maybe saving him for Greece who will be the stronger of the two opponents? I agree that he needed to come in earlier given how bad Koleosho was playing. My interpretation is that he's going to start in the next game
     
  15. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Yes, I do think he will play against Greece.

    Doesn’t change anything that IMO it's a chintzy stat how 5 Minutes is considered an Appearance.
     
  16. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Goal Italia has projected Inacio to start
     
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  17. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Watch his last 5 milan matches he was terrible.
     
  18. Leo Bartoni

    Leo Bartoni Member

    River Plate
    Argentina
    Dec 22, 2024
    #18793 Leo Bartoni, Jun 4, 2026
    Last edited: Jun 4, 2026
    Well that was a review of the game vs Luxembourg where he is playing with players that know how to play right? ;)

    I've watched the last few Milan games and that was part of the reason I don't think he was ready to take over that side, but your whole team is terrible to be honest. Max checked out and was already with one foot out the door. Your management is a farce right now and I'm not complaining about that for obvious reasons. I'm mostly enjoying it.
     
  19. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Cassano is a f'n legend and there's no debate.
     
  20. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Mind numbingly dumba$$ goals are continuing to roll in almost every friendly because goalkeepers are expected to be prime Valderrama first and goalkeepers second. It's so hilarious to see...I'm telling everyone the world cup will be littered with avoidable goals because modern tactics have lost the plot entirely. it's a parody of the sport at this point...which manager will be the genius to just switch off playing rondo in their own 18 yard box and concede likely three less goals than you normally would in the tournament might actually win the whole thing this summer.
     
  21. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Yes, I mentioned upthread that's his son. I'm sure he's a fine player but that PK though? Horrible.
     
  22. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Cherubini out now. Cherubini, Venturino, Palestra, Kayode... Almost our entire right side is decimated. It's up to Fini and Favasuli, please no Fortini that was a horror show.
     
  23. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    FYI, the last six U19 Euros, we've reached the semis 4 times. The U19 Euros is around the corner.
     
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  24. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    "Playing with the feet is a bonus, but you shouldn't overdo it. If a goalkeeper has more touches than a striker, something is wrong." -- Dino Zoff, April 2026.

     
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  25. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy

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