Senior Team Discussion

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. indestructible

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    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
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    Italy
    Antonio Conte is the ruin of calcio. Still can’t get over that performance yesterday.
     
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  2. indestructible

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    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
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    Cremonese revert to a back 3 after the game in Cagliari where they played very well despite losing. The result is the usual 0-0 draw where literally nothing happened. A 3-5-2 and 0-0. A symbol of the times
     
  3. lt22677

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    Napoli
    Italy
    Jul 10, 2022
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  4. TorontoCalabria

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    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Verona playing 532 as they are about to be relegated with no hope.
     
  5. TorontoCalabria

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    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    #17130 TorontoCalabria, Apr 19, 2026
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    There were other groups worse than ours and the top teams did not score nearly as many goals as Norway. Norway has the best CF in the world. The logic does not add up.
    They had the best statistical world cup qualifying campaign in history.

    Norway scored 37 goals 10 more than the next best team. Its not about Norway being an elite team its the fact that as soon as we lost to them in Oslo in the first game we were bound to the playoffs with no hope to catch them.

    A top team would not have lost to them in Oslo but if any top team did slip up they would have had no hope in catching them. Also Haaland Odergard Nunsa were all missing from the 2-1 loss to Holland.
     
  6. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    #17131 AGomes, Apr 19, 2026
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    Gonna be interesting to see if Conte has any time and patience for Dimarco. Dimarco's work rate has never been the greatest. He'll give you a very good 60 minutes and maybe a moment of sheer brilliance but Conte is all about running players into the ground.

    De Zerbi, Farioli, Palladino and they are gonna go the Conte or Max route. Have never liked second stints and don't feel good about either of these two.

    From Francesco Farioli's wiki stub:

    Farioli sought to stabilise the squad by implementing a disciplined defensive structure similar to that of his previous tenure at Nice. His emphasis on organisation, tactical flexibility, and youth development contributed to Ajax holding the best defensive record in the league and reaching first place in the 2024-2025 Eredivisie by March 2025.
    A pivotal moment in the season came with a 2–0 away victory over title rivals PSV, which drew praise for Farioli's tailored tactical approach. Analysts highlighted Ajax's pressing schemes and rehearsed player movements aimed at exploiting PSV's defensive shape, as well as his in-game shift to a 5–4–1 formation to protect the lead.
     
  7. Il Ciuccio

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    Feb 17, 2010
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    SSC Napoli
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    I don’t understand why people are stuck on this coach for.
     
  8. indestructible

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    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
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    Italy
    Forse perché tifo per il Napoli, ma oggi mi sento davvero amareggiato. È come se l’Italia avesse dimenticato come si giocasse a calcio. Questa è la cosa peggiore che l’Italia abbia mai offerto al mondo in termini di approccio e tattica. Una difesa a tre basata sul non correre rischi. Un calcio di possesso in cui non si fanno triangolazioni per cercare di sbloccare le difese. È sempre lo stesso: passaggio laterale, passaggio al compagno dietro di te. Sempre con l'idea che non si possa rischiare. Ali che non superano l'avversario in dribbling. Un attaccante che non riceve alcun servizio. E questo senza menzionare la formazione di Conte, che è un altro argomento. E la gente considera questo tizio il più capace. Abbiamo toccato il fondo.
     
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  9. TorontoCalabria

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    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    its the worst of both worlds. when you watch Serie A from 20 years ago yes it was defensively solid but once the players had the ball they tried to advance it without a worry for pass completion rates or losing the ball in transition. When you apply possession based football into the back 3 you can't make a mistake or give up a turnover so naturally it becomes static.

    It is very bizarre and we see that Chivu with Inter that take risk but score goals are well ahead of everyone else even if they lose every big match to any decent team it averages out.
     
  10. indestructible

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    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
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    Italy
    You don’t have to go back 20 years, you can just look at Simeone, Arteta if you want to see things that Italian teams should be doing or completely forgot how to do. Or even Sarri who makes his teams turnover the ball in 3 passes. Sarri the “benzinaio” who is a loser and never won anything (Scudetto and Europa League) who doesn’t have any journalist friends to do PR for him. He gave both Conte and Allegri a nice lesson this season
     
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  11. indestructible

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    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
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    Italy
    I just saw this post on instagram and thought it was relevant. Just to highlight what a backwards stupid culture we have developed in Italy, but Zeman is regarded as another “big loser” who never won anything. He was a moron in Italy because he dared propose a soccer that was different from the norm. They measure him by the trophies he didn’t win, but completely ignore all the work and development he did with young players. Fabregas is getting the same treatment today. There are people in Italy that cheer against Como not because they don’t have Italians, but because he is a “giochista”. All this to say, we need more Zeman’s.

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  12. TorontoCalabria

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    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    De Rossi switches to the 3421 with Baldanzi and Ekhator behind Colombo its better
     
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  13. lt22677

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    Napoli
    Italy
    Jul 10, 2022
    Il 3-5-2 come ogni tattica a il suo Pro e il suoi contro e questa è stata una tattica molto utilizzata nella ns storia (Cesare Maldini l'utilizzava sempre) il problema è che richiede DEI DIFENSORI DI LIVELLO e DEGLI ATTACCANTI CHE SONO IN GRADO DI AFFRONTARE DA SOLI LE DIFESE cosa CHE ALLO STATO ATTUALE NON ABBIAMO prendiamo l'italia di Conte del 2016 gli attaccanti non erano fenomenali (ma Pellè pur non essendo Vieri dato il fisico riusciva giocare molto di sponda e a tenere palla anche spalla alla porta) il centrocampo era fatto d'onesti mestieranti (Parolo e Giaccherini), MA AVEVA DE ROSSI che garantiva qualità e quantità e LA DIFESA AVEVA la BBC al COMPLETO (ovvero Bonucci, Barzagli e Chiellini) che era tra i migiori DIFENSORI AL MONDO e che GIOCAVANO TUTTI NELLA STESSA SQUADRA.(la Juventus) poi il centrocampo funzionò bene contro la Spagna e il Belgio , ma contro la Germania NO, è vero che arrivvammo ai rigori, ma la soffrimmo molto di più che contro il Belgio e la Spagna perchè a causa infortunio DE ROSSI fu sostituito da STURARO(uno dei giocatori più scarsi ad aver indossato la maglia azzurra) e senza il cervello puoi correre quanto vuoi tu, ma non vai da nessuna parte, e qui arriviamo alle scelte di Conte perchè se ti convochi STURARO al posto di Bonaventura beh allora qualche dubbio sulle capacità di giudizio te li devo fare ed è questo anche il problema che ho con CONTE e ALLEGRI, loro hanno bisogno di un certo tipo di giocatori che la allo stato ATTUALE NON ABBIAMO quindi finiremmo per giocare sempre con gli stessi giocatori anche se ormai hanno dato il loro (come Cristante e Di Lorenzo) mentre noi abbiamo bisogno di lavorare per il futuro e poi TUTTE LE UNDER utilizzano la difesa a 4 e se non hai materiale dal campionato puoi almeno tentare di importare giocatori dall'Under 21, ripeto PER ME I NOMI GIUSTI sono MANCINI, DE ZERBI o PERSINO BALDINI, MA NON CONTE (E PEGGIO ANCORA ALLEGRI!!!!!!!!!!!!)
     
  14. lt22677

    lt22677 Member+

    Napoli
    Italy
    Jul 10, 2022
    Penso proprio di SI
     
  15. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Amazing they actually play and they have an impact. If youth programs changed and developed and Italian players play Italy would be a force again
     
  16. WPG_Azzurri

    WPG_Azzurri Member

    Italy
    Mar 25, 2025
    Full Donnarumma experience in Man City-Arsenal.

    Absolutely pathetic error with the ball at his feet in the first half after Man City just took the lead. Basically gifts Arsenal a goal to tie it up.

    Second half. Makes an extremely critical save and springs the rush which leads to the go ahead goal with a great throw out to Silva.
     
  17. indestructible

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  18. AGomes

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    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    I've come to the conclusion that Donnarumma reached the pros just as the emphasis for Goalkeepers to be part of the build up and to play with the ball at their feet took hold, It really is a shame he wasn't 5 or 6 years younger and came thorough youth ranks where he learned to play with the ball at his feet. All of those all of those goalkeepers coming after him now make it part of their skillset.
     
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  19. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Just saw the goal. Why are they passing it to him? He definitely took it too slow but if they know he's weak with the ball at his feet and there was an Arsenal player there, shouldn't have passed to him.
     
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  20. Vieri#9

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    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
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    That is all hindsight. After we lost in Norway, the constant talk and belief was that we need to catch up to Norway on goals so we have a chance in Milan. My point is we definitely could had done if we didn't fail when we won 5-4 to Israel and not once not twice but three times only scored 2 more goals against Moldova and Estonia. A good team would batter those teams when goals are an objective like Norway did. We failed.
     
  21. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Donnarumma horrible with his feet but still our best shot blocker. Even Neuer who is great with his feet passed the ball right to Guler for an open net goal last game. Anyway, this is a bad look at our #1 but we must play around it by just launching the ball forward more often than putting him under pressure like City did there.
     
  22. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    So Allegri comes out and says he is staying at Milan and Conte basically does the same. Of course they can change their minds, but this is looking good for the Azzurri. I hope they bring back Mancini!
     
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  23. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    It’s a mess to take over too, Mancini is one of the candidates that could rebuild though
     
  24. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    #17149 AGomes, Apr 19, 2026
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    IMO, kinda because what was written by another poster earlier. They don't want to be accused of abandoning the team so they put the onus on Napoli/ Milan to let them out of their contract.

    Anyhow. Which team is winning it? Spain? France?
     
  25. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Wanna piggy-back to what TC wrote earlier this week. I think on the bench you should bring Inacio even in September. If he can get Appearances and garbage Minutes for BvB (60 total Minutes over 3 career Bundesliga Appearances) then no reason why he cannot sit on the bench for Italy. I know this would have been unheard of 15 years ago but are Italy gonna go through another cycle waiting for Scamacca?
     

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