Senior Team Discussion

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
  2. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    The success of Luca Reggiani and Ignacio just makes me think it’s probably best for young SKILL based Italian players to GTFO of Italy when they are teenagers. Pafundi should have moved to a Spanish club years ago. Instead he had the misfortune of being part of a club like Udinese at the time where they had coaches like Cioffi and Sottil. Two 3-5-2 merchants who want their squads to double as rugby teams. He wasted some precious years
     
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  3. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Yes exactly it has worked for English players as well to go abroad. There is also Della Rovere now at Bayern II and he is supposedly playing well. Serie B is slowly getting better at pushing teenagers at least 2nd half of the season we have seen Rao Liberali breakthrough ..Comotto has played a lot but these attacking talents are being destroyed ybthe 352..when teams move to 3421 it's ok but 352 like you said is rugby.

    Italians need to be brave and enter the market. Even if you go to a league like Belgium it is better to play somewhere where the game is fast and you maybe are in europe even at a conference league level.

    The guys that barely play and then finally are trusted in Serie B at 22/23 are already too old by that point. Look at Salvatore Esposito. You just become a Serie B guy. Another year or two and youre not even worth it.
     
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  4. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Nemanja Matić: "Why is Italian football Struggling? It’s STUCK in the 1990s."

    "The first problem concerns the academies. Youth systems in England and France are far more advanced. They teach you how to dribble and they develop technical skills. Here it's not the same."

    "Another issue is tactics, which are important but also limiting. In Italy the three-man defense is used too often and teams attack too little. An innovative project is needed, otherwise things will only keep getting worse."
     
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  5. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #13780 falvo, Mar 16, 2026
    Last edited: Mar 16, 2026
    Whether this is true or not, this is what I read....

    La FIFA sta valutando l'Italia come principale candidata a sostituire l'Iran per la Coppa del Mondo FIFA 2026 negli Stati Uniti. [​IMG][​IMG]
    Il presidente della FIFA, Gianni Infantino, ha contattato personalmente il ministro dello sport iraniano, offrendo la possibilità di svolgere ritiri di allenamento flessibili al di fuori degli Stati Uniti e riorganizzando il calendario delle partite.
    Tuttavia, la posizione iraniana rimane chiarissima: "Non parteciperemo e non giocheremo mai in un Paese che ha ucciso il nostro leader e decine di bambini".
    L'Italia è ora la principale candidata e la FIFA dovrebbe prendere presto una decisione definitiva, che potrebbe consentirle di saltare i restanti playoff.
    Altre novità a breve! [​IMG][​IMG]

    I don't know how true this is but I guess that would be great for Italy.
     
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  6. Pambiero

    Pambiero Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Mar 21, 2021
    I wish it was true but it’s not. Unfortunately.
     
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  7. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I’ve done a complete 180 on Como. Yes they can invest more in Italian talents and I hope that happens next summer, but they are positive for Serie A. Fabregas proves that another football is possible. It’s amazing what happens when you have a clear project and you scout good players. They’ve added an intensity and pressing that teams in Serie an are not used to are now they’re knocking of the CL door.
     
  8. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Good points, those were my same thoughts. A different system that works and showing the need for technical players that can dribble. Also they are training Italian youth who will take a few years to come through.

     
  9. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Yes Como is great for Serie A and they will eventually buy these talented young italians in Serie B and abroad. They are among the few that can afford it. Also with Como alongside projects like Atalanta Bologna and yes even Fiorentina there is a depth in Serie A that can make a difference long term.

    If they can prove playing 352 low block dosent always work it will for sure help the league.
     
  10. Alex101

    Alex101 Member

    Mar 15, 2017
    I thought Serie A was the only league with abismal amount or domestic players starting every matchday but this is an issue all over Europe, except for la Liga:

    Spain 119/220 players
    Holland 86/198
    Germany 68/198
    France 64/198
    England 63/220
    Italy 60/220
    Portugal 46/198
    Belgium 39/176

    Difference with italy and those nations is they have a health amount of players playing all over Europes top leagues. Stop thinking serie a can be fixed and follow suit. It aint 2006 anymore.
     
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  11. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    There are changes that can be made to at least strike a better balance the Cdl is being lowered for next summer idk how that’s gonna impact everything but there isn’t gonna be as much money to buy foreigners and playing U23 Italians doesn’t count towards that. There are some other things being floated about incentivizing the TV deals to pay teams for playing young Italians which is being done in Serie B which any where from 20 to 50 million Euro to teams from what I understand.

     
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  12. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
     
  13. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    FWIW, Nicolo Schira reports that a Gattuso scout is at the Zini tonight to watch Parisi
     
  14. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    i'm sorry but i cannot support Como. If they make Europe next year I will actively be cheering against them unless they change this...

    [​IMG]
     
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  15. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Honestly, I always hated the title of Technical Director.

    There are so many of them in the US & Canada it’s not even funny.

    I think I remember reading there were more Technical Directors than coaches.

    What I want to know is, what exactly do they do?
     
  16. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    ******** Como, this is Italy not Spain, not a single Italian on the team this is not a positive for Serie A it's utter embarrassment.
     
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  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Heck, everyone is criticizing all the Italian-Americans on the Team Italy Baseball team for not being born in Italy and then you have a team like Como without even one Oriundo and only two Italian players?

    How does this even make sense?
     
  18. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Massive win for Fiorentina. They must having the most Italian representation of players especially from the youth teams and conversations on making Azzurri. I mean Ndour, Fabbian, Fazzini, that is practically the U21 midfield that was so successful a year ago. It is such a blow they are doing so horrible in the table. :(
     
  19. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    It was a fun game to watch, I really hope they start to turn it around, they have no business being that low on the table.
     
  20. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Parisi has been pretty good on that right side last few times out
     
  21. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Viscidi oversees all the youth technical teams, he’s been one of the keys to the renewed success at the U21 levels. His focus is on skill and attacking. With Zambrotta and Perotta they started a new project with the U15 to youth levels to put technique and dribbling ahead of rigid tactics. It’s also to train coaches. Prandelli is supposed to be apart of that I don’t know what happened to him. It took those big losses to Norway to finally push this forward. It’s good but pathetic at the same time.

     
  22. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Where were these clowns in 2018 or 2022? I'm not holding my breath. Italian are good at presentations. It's what happens afterwards. Plans die in bureaucracy.
     
  23. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    It's so weird seeing Parisi on the right side in attack. He always was a LB. He always had skill and acceleration but his size held him back on defense. Hope he gets a new lease on life in attack.
     
  24. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Como is the worst thing that can happen to Italian football. Sure, we see a system that can work and is more modern. But, we already know this from the beat downs we've been getting in the UCL. It does not help for a foreign owner to come in with a blank check book and put ZERO investment into our youth or Italians at all.

    Next thing you know more foreign money will buy Serie B clubs for cheap and try to replicate that model. Not good at all for our movement.
     
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  25. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    It should have happened with Baggio’s project once that got shut down, we were set back, what is it now 12-15 years
     
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