Senior Team Discussion

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    That's pretty typical Orsolini unfortunately, sometimes he's there and sometimes he's not. We need to move away from these types of players that show no consistency.
     
  2. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    I agree it's too early to toss away Camarda. He's only 17. What I've noticed with him is that despite being 6'2 180, he doesn't have the explosive athleticism to sometimes keep pace in Serie A.

    It's odd because at all levels he played against older kids and dominated. However, against full blown adults, he just doesn't have the speed or agility to beat them and get into the right positions. Also, playing on Lecce is a killer too.

    So, it's early. There are concerns about whether he'll have the athleticism to be elite. We'll have to see how he continues to grow and get stronger. Pio has ZERO issues with athleticism. He's a freak of nature. He just doesn't have supreme skill. (It's very good but not supreme.)
     
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  3. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    speaking of Pio, him emerging has been the best thing for Camarda. Prior to PIO there were people calling for Camarda on nazionale (out of desperation that we might not have any strikers).

    Now that we have Kean, Retegui, Pio amongst others (Scamacca starting to wake up a bit)... this gives Camarda more room to breathe and find his way.
     
  4. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Hellas Verona should be expelled and forced to start all the way in the terza categoria. What a disgrace of a club.
     
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  5. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
     
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  6. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    i just looked up Luca Reggiani's wiki page. My fav part on there.

    "Growing up, he regarded Italy international Giorgio Scalvini as his football idol"

    that's gotta be something lost in translation lol. only 4 year age diff.
     
  7. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Good post. CF position is probably the most difficult for a teenager to excel at. The boy is tall but he isn’t a man yet. It’s rare you’ll see a player explode at that position at 17. Haaland was 19 when he had his breakthrough season at Redbull. In Italy both Vieri and Inzaghi were 22 and 23 when they exploded. People need to exercise some patience.
     
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  8. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    There is no cookie cutter formula when it comes to developing young players. Sometimes the loan system works, sometimes it doesn’t. One thing that has been consistent is the pass the bucket mentality when it comes to player development. Everyone thinks it’s someone else’s job to make a player. Allegri for instance has said in the past that’s it’s not his job to valourize talents. He is the coach of a big team like Juve (in the past). It’s the clubs job to give him players that are ready. On one hand he’s right, but then you look at another big club like Barca where the mentality is completely different. When Barcelona have a young starlet coming through the academy it’s all hands on deck to make sure the Pedri’s and Yamal’s become 100+ million dollar players. We couldn’t be more culturally different.
     
  9. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    #12984 TorontoCalabria, Feb 7, 2026
    Last edited: Feb 7, 2026
    Bartesaghi Kayode Scalvini Ahanor have really changed our backline options that group along with Calafiori Udogie Bastoni should be more than enough. The big thing is these 4 can all defend and are strong and physical they are not just good with the ball the way the likes of Cambiaso Belanova were. Bartesaghi can play CB he is like the new Costacurta.
     
  10. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Yes and in many ways it is easier to play for Barca as a young player because of the style your team is going to be dominating the ball as long as you have the technical ability to play keep away you're not going to go out there and hurt your team much because of inexperience. Often the young players just slot in maybe at worst they are simply invisible.

    Camarda having to play for a relegation team where you won't see the ball and will have to rely on physical moments to try and make something of your few chances is another thing entirely. Inter have done well to build and identity and in many ways it has been very simple for Pio to fit into their two striker system.

    Folks should also remember that Camarda looked good for Milan in his few appearances last season in the Champions League and Serie A. He will find his way. Milan won't be able to buy a striker of top quality and Im sure he will make his way into the team over the next two seasons.
     
  11. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Well, thank God we don’t have to rely on Buongiorno as much anymore
     
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  12. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You mean because he just got smoked by Colombo?
     
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  13. itaNapoli

    itaNapoli Member

    Jun 15, 2004
    Gave up the penalty shot on the first one and now that one too. Smoked x2
     
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  14. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    He’s a mistake machine.

    I don’t mind Buongiorno. He’s playing out of position so I’ll give him some grace there. But like so many Italian defenders this generation, he can’t adapt. He was never as good as people made him out to be
     
  15. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    None of our defenders are perfect. Ahanor is young and makes mistakes. The red card the other week was one. Against Juve he was badly caught out of position on a McKennie throw-in that led to a very dangerous chance.

    Scalvini is good, but he gave up a hand ball the other week and sometimes he's caught out of position because he isn't an amazing athlete.

    It's a work in progress. The important part of a backline isn't that all those guys are Nesta. It's that they have chemistry, work together, communicate, and cover for each other.
     
  16. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    And right now our chemistry in the back is 0. Thus individual errors are going to sink us. I can forgive young players, but right now Buongiorno is making mistakes that a player of his age shouldn’t be making.
     
  17. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    I've been a fan of Buongiorno in the past because he's the gritty, scrappy, close-marking defender I feel like we've lacked for a good bit. But, mistakes like today are horrific. You can't be called up on that form.
     
  18. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    speaking of young talent we shouldnt give up on...

    Mattia Liberali scored his first goal for Catanzaro today. He had an assist last game as well. Guess what, those were his first two starts of season.
     
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  19. lt22677

    lt22677 Member

    Napoli
    Italy
    Jul 10, 2022
    perdonami ma Pio è anche 3 ANNI più vecchio rispetto a Camarda e grazie al C***O che ha meno problemi dal punto di vista fisico, la domanda GIUSTA che uno si deve fare, è dove era Pio Esposito alla stessa età di Camarda?(SPOILER nell'U17 del Inter neanche in Primavera) per come la vedo bisogna ricordarsi che Camarda gioca ne LECCE una delle squadre peggiori nella transizione da difesa attacco basta vedere che in U21 (ricordo 4 ANNI SOTTOETA') il suo lo fa, come dico sempre io prima di seppellire una persona bisogna aspettare che smetta di respirare

    Forgive me, but Pio is also 3 YEARS older than Camarda, so no sh*t he has fewer physical issues. The RIGHT question to ask is: where was Pio Esposito at the same age as Camarda? (SPOILER: in Inter’s U17s, not even in the Primavera).
    The way I see it, you have to remember that Camarda is playing for Lecce, one of the worst teams in the league at defensive-to-offensive transition. Just look at the fact that in the U21s (at 4 YEARS UNDERAGE, mind you) he does his job. Like I always say: before you bury someone, you should wait until they stop breathing.
     
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  20. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    he was maybe carried by Bremer at Torino .. he was pretty good fro Napoli last season maybe he is playing hurt.
     
  21. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    It turned out to be a bad place for him to go because they play a flat 352. these players like Liberali need to play in 343/4231 type system. Cisse is the number 10 there so maybe Liberali can stick around next season and take his place.


    Kean and Casadei on the score sheet today. Casadei seems to be finding his form. I see him as an upgrade to Fratessi long term. He can come into the box late and knows how to finish but he's more physical and better technically.
     
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  22. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Great to see Colombo, Vergara, Casadei, and Kean shine today
     
  23. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I still believe Casadei has potential to turn into an Italian Ballack.
     
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  24. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    my worry about Kean is that he is not clinical he has 6 goals on 12.63 expected goals. He needs to miss a clear chance on goal for every goal he scores.
     
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  25. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #13000 johnny6, Feb 8, 2026
    Last edited: Feb 8, 2026
    Casadei needs to be on a better team.

    Bologna go down again today, officiating was laughable which perfectly matches Serie A these day.

    Orsolini hit the bar on a volley, other than that nothing else to write about.

    In random news, Tonali needs to leave that dumpster fire.
     
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