Senior Team Discussion

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
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  2. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
     
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  3. Stamos

    Stamos Member

    Apr 6, 2013
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Why do some of you care so much about what morons say about Serie A, Italians, the national team, etc.? Who gives a f-ck.
     
  4. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    They must have real short memories. Twitter cretino "Confident Chelsea Fan" must have got so drunk he forgot the 12th place Serie A team beat his mighty Chelsea in the CL the day before lol.
     
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  5. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    It's not what I think it's where the experts rank the leagues and what the results at the highest level show. Serie A is a top 3 League arguably top 2 on the globe. The MLS ranks around 10th while the Scottish Premier League ranks 36th well below the Serie B.

    It doesn't matter what ignorant English fans think. I respect the MLS and Scottish League for what they are.
     
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  6. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Fair Warning... if you don't want to hear outsiders opinions, this is not a video for you. NGL, I kinda clicked as his hair transplant caught my attention.

    Minute 2:19 - 4:53 is where Landy talks about Italy.

     
  7. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Vardy being named player of the month is hilarious. But remember the god luca toni was top scorer at 40 so it does happen!!!
     
  8. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I actually like Colin.

    I wasn't offended by landons take. Better than the ass wipe with touretts syndrome.
    I hope Howard misplaced his pill container or it gets lost in his home and the local cvs is closed for the day!
     
  9. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Because you are Texan and he discusses NFL, lol.

    Cowherd's soccer take was just fine (referring to the Italy segment). Donovan criticizing Mexico quite a bit. I saw a few YouTube Shorts where he breaks down the Groups and he is highly critical of Mexico.
     
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  10. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Mexico are garbage. In the USA there's a stereotype that Mexicans are good at soccer. It's not true. They stink!
     
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  11. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    In another interview Donovan was discussing Group A and in between his bashing of Mexico (not sure what all this is about) was saying that it shouldn't be unestimated if a team like Denmark gain strength if they win their Playoff Path and go to the WC with a new sense of enthusiasm whereas Mexico will have not had to go through the rigors of qualifying.

    My point...
    IMVHO, this could very well extend to Italy. The mental block currently in is fear of not qualifying. I get the sense they could do well if they past that by qualifying.
     
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  12. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    I'm not going to lie. Vardy being player of the month is a very bad look for our league.
     
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  13. Vieri#9

    Vieri#9 Member

    Real Madrid
    Italy
    Oct 22, 2023
    Zaniolo is another one too. Our league is so dire that anytime an Italian player scores, we talk about him as a potential for joining the national team. This shit is getting depressing.
     
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  14. Pambiero

    Pambiero Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Mar 21, 2021
    At this point our squad really needs a special psychologist. I mean it. I agree we mainly have fear about not qualifying for the 3rd time in a row. This is really a huge burden for our players. A specialist must talk to the players and help them overcome this fear. Come on, we all know we don’t have the team of the past but we should still be able to overcome these teams in our playoff path. They just have to believe in themselves and stop thinking of the reactions in case of not qualifying.
     
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  15. nunzio23

    nunzio23 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 16, 2021
    Zaniolo is only 26 though and is just entering his prime. He could conceivably impact the national team for the next 5 years or so but I would root against it due to his10 cent brain. there's no question though that if the cards were all there and he didn't completely wreck both knees that he would have been a top talent playing and impacting on CL type teams and a guaranteed Italy call up. it's unfortunate the way things turned out for him.
     
  16. Catenaccio88

    Catenaccio88 Member

    England
    Sep 23, 2023
    Italy have always done much better against the likes of Brazil, Holland, England and Germany in big tournament games. Whilst (on the contrary), they often look unconvincing against the teams they should be beating (on paper).

    I don't think its as psychological as some are suggesting. These smaller teams (on paper) are simply better now, at sitting in a low block and nicking a result against better teams. They kept coming up against lesser (but well organised) European opposition, who are very happy to sit back and let Italy have the ball.

    Italy didn't score a single goal in their prev WC playoffs against Sweden & Macedonia. Which is where they kept tripping over themselves. Nowadays, they really struggle to score against these kind of teams in the playoffs. But that's not a mental problem, its a style conundrum. They just havent been able to break these teams down and put the ball in the back of the net.
     
  17. La Magica

    La Magica Member+

    Aug 1, 2011
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Yeah he might be prime in age but I think we got to see him prime in 2018-19. His pea sized brain has not helped him over the last few years but hes finally found a team for his new level that he can play at consistently and I think thats about were his story ends. He should be happy with that as this was basically his last chance in Serie A.
     
  18. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nicky zan destined to return to your piece of shit club. For sure!!!
     
  19. calabrese8

    calabrese8 Member+

    Feb 9, 2008
    Vancouver
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    that WAS our struggle vs Sweden and Macedonia. We are much better offensively now under Gattuso. Retegui, Kean and Pio all have played well for the NT in recent games. We won't be shutout these playoffs its a differetn situation going in hopefully as vs the last one where we had to start an out of form Immobile and have Joao Pedro come in off the bench cause we had no healthy in form strikers.
     
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  20. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Damn, Palestra really does do a lot of things well. Watching the Atalanta Cagliari game and his speed and ball skills are quite striking for a RB.
     
  21. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Can it be both?

    Definitely some validity to this message but I don't think can discount the fear of failure part of it.

    To your point of not being able to break down a low block, IMO, this stems from the fact that Italian football is played slower, referees don't help matters as they are whistle-happy which makes it even slower. Spain also play slow, relatively speaking, but their skill level is superior to Italy's so they aren't affected.
     
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  22. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Scamacca with a brace, too bad he doesn't chase defenders down though.
     
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  23. Catenaccio88

    Catenaccio88 Member

    England
    Sep 23, 2023
    Spain are definitely better at it, because (like you said) they have such a depth of elite technical players. Furthermore, they're simply more used to dealing with it (than any other country). Their playing style almost invites teams to sit back and challenge Spain to break them down. Hence, Spanish players probably develop the most amount of know-how, at finding ways of handling this kind of opposition/setup, starting way back at underage-level (international football).

    But on the topic of Italy. I'm not suggesting the players aren't under huge pressure in these games. My mention of it being more of a style issue (than psychological), was a reference to what happened in the previous playoffs. Italy conceded only one goal against Sweden and Macedonia. Then had 70% of the ball, but couldn't break down the other team.

    And we see this a lot now in (tournament) International football. Esp when the smaller European teams play the better ones. It simply works.
     
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  24. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Scam-acca
     
  25. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    As soon as there is adversity or a tough moment, Scamacca will check out. We all know it.
     

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