Senior Team Discussion

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Carlo is almost at the end of his career. He would take the Italy job if it were available. But it isn’t. Saying he’s a traitor is ridiculous. It’s a high profile job for the most successful national team in history. We should be happy for him
     
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  2. fckdibiagio

    fckdibiagio Member

    Jun 19, 2019
    No, he would not. He was offered the job before and after Mancini but refused because he prefers the day to day of a club. To be honest, I think he wants the team to be more competitive when he took over, but to be honest Brazil these days is even worse than Italy.
     
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  3. fckdibiagio

    fckdibiagio Member

    Jun 19, 2019
    They've already lost 5 times in qualifying!!
     
  4. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    I agree and frankly I don't consider Brazil a top rival. We get blessed with an Italy Brazil game once a generation and it's always a pleasure. If he were to manage Germany or France or England/Spain it would have been different. I hope he does well.
     
  5. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    No Ronaldinho, r9, or the great kaka!
     
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  6. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I just want to wish the best for Spalletti and hope he can steer qualification. I do not think he deserves the stress of not qualifying.
     
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  7. fckdibiagio

    fckdibiagio Member

    Jun 19, 2019
    I want it more for the tifosi than any CT. Italians and their fans have been through hell.
     
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  8. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    He'll lose his hair
     
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  9. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You said it yourself, he preferred the day to day grind of club football. Thats why he chose Napoli when ADL came knocking. I never heard of FIGC looking to hire Ancelotti after Mancini, but he was already in a contract with Real. Antonio Conte also left Italy hanging because he missed the day to day grind. Didn't make him a traitor.
     
  10. fckdibiagio

    fckdibiagio Member

    Jun 19, 2019
    Antonio Conte never turned his own nation down multiple times. Its not the same thing.Carlo is always the FIRST CALL FROM THE FIGC always ,whenever there's an opening. Before and after Mancini. Gravinas first choice was him not Spaletti or Conte.
    When you refuse your own national team to coach another, it makes you a traitor. Are you his agent? Why defend this loser?
    If he would have turned them down for another club team, then he would be sticking to his guns and his word, but that means nothing these days.

    Just a fat mercenary traitor all dressed in yellow.
     
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  11. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    No Antonio Conte quit mid Euros signing a contract with Chelsea. I don’t know what’s worse.

    Every time the FIGC came knocking, Carlo was already in a contract with a major club team. In 2018, he explicitly said he wanted to coach a club and he went with Napoli. Do you really think Ancelotti would say no to Italy if the job were available today? It’s the end of his career and it would be the perfect sign off.

    And no I’m not the guys agent. I’m just annoyed with sensationalist horseshit
     
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  12. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I think even down the line beyond the 2026 WC, there could be the perfect convergence for both parties where it makes sense for FIGC and Carlo to give it a go. I don't think his age would be an issue and the availability of both parties could reach a natural meeting point
     
  13. fckdibiagio

    fckdibiagio Member

    Jun 19, 2019
    I 100% think he would turn the Italy job down if it were available. He has turned them down more than once already. He was out of contract(fired) at Bayern in Sept 2017. Ventura was gone in Nov 2017. He turned Italy down first, before signing for Napoli in May 2018. It was not a choice between the two. We had to have my namesake as caretaker CT because he turned it down
     
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  14. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    So we have one example of Carlo rejecting Italy because he didn’t want to leave club management. Yet when Conte ditched Italy for Chelsea (midway tournament) for the same reasons that wasn’t being a traitor? (Neither is a traitor but I’m just following your logic)

    The only way Carlo could possibly be considered a traitor is if the job for Italy would be available RIGHT NOW and he had to choose between both Italy and Brazil. Carlo not coaching Italy is more of an issue of the stars not aligning. The same could be said for Fabio Capello.
     
  15. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Capello would of been epic.
     
  16. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    #7716 AGomes, May 12, 2025
    Last edited: May 12, 2025
    Tonali scored this weekend. His 6th to go along with 3 Assists. He started the play off by winnig possession. Rolando Mandragora scored as well today for Fiorentina. Would have the position looked after if Spalletti goes with these 2.
     
  17. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Don Carlo has coached half the Brazilian starters and has had a great relationship with most of them. He has been linked with the Brazilian national team for a while. He will make them competitive.
     
  18. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Don Carlo mi fa schifo. If he really wanted to coach Gli Azzurri, he would have found a way to do it. He's always been more worried about the $$$. That's fine, but don't think that comes without a reputational price. He's a fantastic manager, but he is no doubt a mercenary.

    I wish Don Carlo the same luck Don Fabio had with his international stint outside of Italia.
     
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  19. Il Ciuccio

    Il Ciuccio Member+

    Feb 17, 2010
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    At least Fabio had the decency to coach teams that were never going to anything.
     
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  20. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Don fabio a legend.
    Disturbs me when ex England players trash him.
    They weren't use to a real soccer coach.
     
  21. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    #7721 AGomes, May 13, 2025
    Last edited: May 13, 2025
    There is also 18 matches played. Because of that obviously a lot more room for error than UEFA and I'd also add Oceania under the old system.

    Worst team in Italy's current Group is Moldova. The worst team often times in CONMEBOL is Bolivia. But I'd rather Gli Azzurri play Moldova in qualifiers than go to the elevation of La Paz where they would be gasping for air at the 30th Minute fresh off a transatlantic flight. A player like Dimarco only goes 65 Minutes as it is. He'd be gassed in no time.

    I do agree with the comment (whoever made it) that 6+1 teams will qualify is excessive. But given it was 4+1 and this is an expanded WC, to be expected. CONCACAF also high but have to give a pass as there are 3 Hosts

    For me, my issue with this edition of Qualifiers in UEFA is some groups have 5 team while others 6. Could have used the expanded format to backfill these groups and make them even.

    LOL @ its like Canada hiring a Russian or American for their hockey team.
     
  22. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    LOL Don Fabio trolling England was great. Banned all their sauces during meals, made Heskey their main striker and built the team around James Milner. What a legend.
     
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  23. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Brazil lacking competent coaches is a crazy phenomenon for a country that has pumped out so much talent historically. When you think of all the legendary players of the 90’s and early 2000’s, so few of them became coaches. And if they did, they had very short careers. Dunga is the only exception
     
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  24. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I was always surprised to see Cafu and Emerson do nothing as a coaching career
     
  25. fckdibiagio

    fckdibiagio Member

    Jun 19, 2019
    I hear the same argument from South Americans all the time, so predictable. Oh the altitude waaaaaaah. So what? Lose that match, you are allowed to lose another 5 more LOL. That was with 4 automatic spots, now with 6 you could lose 8 times and qualify automatically. Why does COMMEBOL get an intercontinental playoff spot as well? Why not UEFA? Uefa would win that playoff 8/10 times and FIFA does not want that.

    South American teams can lose 33% of their matches and still avoid playoffs. Its insane. The equivalent would be Italy losing 2-3(2.64) matches out of their 8. We know for a fact they lose 1 match they're in big trouble. I would rather the leeway of losing 6 rather than 1.One is way more difficult than the other. It is a fact, not worth debating further.

    There are no groups of 6 in UEFA qualifying at all.

    I did not think Brazil would stoop to the level of England. I thought they were better than that. For some reason, they are still obnoxiously arrogant despite having a mediocre team.
     

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