Senior Team Discussion

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I’m really liking Del Prato at Parma. Decent defender but has tons of character. Right footed also
     
  2. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    definitely a good crop of decent Italian centre backs emerging this year. some left footed but a good few right footed.

    Gabbia
    Comuzzo
    Del Prato
    Ranieri
    Ghilardi
    Coppola
    Viti

    can't be sure on most of them yet but it's promising compared to be excited for Romagnoli Casale Caldara etc a few years ago because there was no one else.
     
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  3. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Retegui another goal contribution today. Thank you, Gasp.
     
  4. johnny6

    johnny6 Member+

    AC Milan
    Italy
    Jun 29, 2011
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Zaniolo also had a pretty good game.
     
  5. Alex101

    Alex101 Member

    Mar 15, 2017
    Defense will be stacked for years...we haven't had this much depth since the early 2000's
     
  6. nunzio23

    nunzio23 Member

    Juventus
    Italy
    Jul 16, 2021
    F
    Former U20 world cup starter that had to languish in Serie C / B for 5 years in order to 'prove' he was ready for A at the ripe young age of 24.

    There are many such cases ...
     
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  7. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
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    Gasperini saying that it’s the first good game he plays. KEEP IT UP
     
  8. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Yes if we list all the centre backs and fullbacks and wingbacks it's astonishing how far we have come even since even Euro 2020 when we were still reliant on Chielini Bonucci and the likes of Toloi and Emerson.

    Also I agree we have not had this kind of depth since the early 2000s even in midfield we can say the same thing its really just the number 10 and 9 positions where we could use something extra.
     
  9. AGomes

    AGomes BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Right Footed CB's/ RB's that can play in a 3

    To me the depth chart is Gatti & Di Lo as 1&2. 3rd probably Scalvini. 4th Gabbia. I'd say Del Prato 5th or maybe Luca Ranieri.

    Don't know who in that list can play or is comfortable in a 3-man D line.

    Del Prato looked damn good yesterday.

    In the near future (until 2026 WC cycle), won't have to go into those other players as these 5 or 6 are good cover.
     
  10. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Let us hope Zaniolo looks up to Gasp, finds solace to play within himself, and Gasp can continue to push him to be his best
     
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  11. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Aquilani played a little
     
  12. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    top 10 Italian Serie A performers after 10 weeks according to fantacalcio https://football-italia.net/top-10-italy-players-serie-a-week-1-10/

    Retegui (Atalanta) 6.75

    Barella (Inter) 6.57

    Meret (Napoli) 6.57

    Buongiorno (Napoli) 6.5

    Fazzini (Empoli) 6.5

    Dimarco (Inter) 6.45


    Kean (Fiorentina) 6.39

    Esposito (Empoli) 6.38

    Di Lorenzo (Napoli) 6.35

    Delprato (Parma) 6.33
     
  13. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Btw, Lazio deserves a big FU from the Italian calcio movement. 10 stranieri and only Provedel as the lone Italian in goal. This has been a growing trend for them for a few years now but it has culminated into this sh*t show. They do absolutely nothing to promote an Italian youth sector and develop talent.
     
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  14. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Our conazionali in Italy think 24 is really young for a player. No joke. I looked at Del Prato's loan history. I think he was loaned out at least SIX times...maybe more. That is ridiculous. How can you get any continuity as a player if teams are that impatient? These constant loans are another big problem in our calcio. You constantly force a player to start all over again.
     
  15. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Top Italians of week according to the pagelle’s (6.5+ Eurosport and TuttomercatoWeb)

    Luperto, Felici(?)
    Orsolini, Pobega

    Baschirotto, Gallo

    Meret, Di Lorenzo

    Darmian, Frattesi, Barella

    Zampano, Nicolussi Caviglia, Oristanio
    Lucca

    Carnesecchi, Zappacosta, Zaniolo
    D’Ambrosio, Vignato

    Del Prato

    Ranieri, Bove, Sottil

    Mazzitelli

    (No one from Roma Torino)

    A couple of my observations, Del Prato was probably the best Italian of this match day. With his qualities, I think he could be a good braccetto as we are really lacking right footed defenders.

    Oristanio is someone who is growing on me. I thought there was nothing special about this guy, but he seems to be gaining confidence.

    Sottil doesn’t play enough.

    Nice performance by the young Vignato.

    Di Lorenzo continues to do well. That’s the Conte effect.

    The bad: Juve fans were all shitting on Danilo, but Gatti was equally bad. I don’t know what happened to him, but he has looked average ever since Bremer got injured. At the beginning of the season he looked really good and and now not so much.

    And then there is Locatelli who doesn’t necessarily play bad, but is nothing special either. I’m still willing to give him the benefit of the doubt since Juve are not in a good period, but I don’t see how you would take him over Bove at this point.

    Pisilli is another one who has settled back to earth after a really solid start. And that’s ok
     
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  16. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    outside back or central defender? Hybrid?
     
  17. gumbacicc

    gumbacicc Member+

    Dec 7, 2004
    USA
    When was Balotelli a great striker? Baggio, Del Piero, Totti, Vieri, Inzaghi...these were great strikers. Balotelli was never close to that level. If memory serves me correct, he only had one memorable tournament.
     
  18. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    I've actually watched some Venezia games just to see Oristanio. People forget that he JUST turned 22. He was a very promising and skilled player on Inter's youth teams, but I think he wasn't considered physical enough.

    To me, he looks like he's become stronger on the ball which is exactly what he needed. Now he can pair that with his pace and skill. Good player.
     
  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #5570 falvo, Nov 1, 2024
    Last edited: Nov 1, 2024
    Players only need one memorable tournament to be considered and remembered as being great strikers on the international level.

    I did in fact post Vieri and Inzaghi.

    Also, I'll give you Baggio but Del Piero and Totti rarely showed much on the national team.

    As a matter of fact, leaving out Delpiero's goal against Germany while Italy was leading , I can’t recall either making much of a difference for Italy.

    They are # 10's though and not #9's or strikers which is what I meant and was referring to.

    At the Euro 2012 Mario Balotelli scored three goals and we won a silver medal.

    This reinforces my stance and belief that he was Italy's last great forward and can't think of any others in the last decade.
     
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  20. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    At Parma, Del Prato plays right CB but he has played right back in the past. This is why I think he would be an interesting option on the ride of the three of Spalletti’s backline.

    I don’t want to overrate him, but IMO our options for right footed defenders aren’t convincing IMO. Anyone can emerge
     
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  21. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Chiesa rumoured to move to Milan or Como in January on loan. Have to wonder why these players receive such bad advice at times regarding how these transfers will impact their careers.
    To go from Roma to Liverpool to trying to force a loan to Como is a matter of months is astonishing. Yes he is not what he was but even last year under Allegri he was still a player that is above this situation and now he will have lost another 6 months and who knows if he will even get going this season or if it's a third season in the bin for him. Such an up and down career.
     
  22. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I didn’t hate the Liverpool move for Chiesa. I thought at worst he would be an impact sub. At best he would fight for a starting spot. It’s really disappointing how he hasn’t settled. He has an injury now but they won’t say what exactly is wrong with him.

    It doesn’t surprise me that Milan want him because like usual they chase players they don’t need and refuse to reinforce in areas where they are suffering. I’d rather he go to Como. As far as the national team is concerned, Spalletti is justified in not selecting him
     
  23. Rossonero23

    Rossonero23 Member+

    Sep 9, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Chiesa peaked. He's on the decline now.
    Como would be appropriate but that real madrid kid is better than him at this point.
     
  24. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    yeah it seems to be a generic "fitness" thing that comes down to maybe some real knocks but the way it's described seems more like it is because he mostly missed pre season training or that Slot does not feel he is up to the fitness of the others in the squad but the only way to get match fit is to play so he's in a vicious cycle now where his teammates are getting fitter and fitter and he's standing still.

    The issue is he was such a low risk transfer for Liverpool that's he's in a trying out for the high school football team situation where he can't seem to get ahead in practice and the coach has a long list of options. I know there was some legitimate injury that held him back but I believe it's mostly fitness. I think in a less competitive team he would have found game time.

    Balotelli was in a similar situation when he went to Liverpool after things broke down with Milan and it basically derailed his career. Liverpool fans were excited for Balotelli but he had some knocks his fitness was not considered high enough and ultimately the manager just did not select him much. After that he had to find another club and the pickings were slim which is how he ended up at Nice but once you're out of that top club rolodex it's nearly impossible to get back in.
    Roma would have been a happy medium for Chiesa but I could see him get stuck at a small club just to get regular football now alla Balotelli.

    To be more specific Mario was sent back to Milan on loan the following season and only scored 1 goal in 20 games after only scoring once for Liverpool so he had 2 goals in like 20 months of football and never recovered but I believe it was that stint at Liverpool that really derailed him.
     

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