Senior Team Discussion

Discussion in 'Italy: National Teams' started by Vieri's Left Foot, Dec 3, 2023.

  1. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    yes and he was feeding off scraps in that system Pinamonti will have the same issue. he is so good at attacking open space with a high pressing team.
     
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  2. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Chiesa

    Left off the Team Sheet yesterday. Not sure I understand the thought process here. While I understand he didn't have a Training Camp, how does sending him to the Pressbox help matters? While they have others ahead of him due to tenure, with other players coming back from International Duty, he could have been given some Minutes,,especially if Liverpool were in a good position to Win. As it turned out, they Lost so I don't necessarily believe he should have been brought on. Unless they want to use him against Milan on Tuesday.
     
  3. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    FWIW, Koleosho scored yesterday. His 2nd in 4 matches.
     
  4. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    I believe its more because they want to use him against Milan which makes sense since he knows them well. Nice way to debut him in a big match that he will also be comfortable in or maybe have an advantage.
     
  5. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    I didn't watch the North London Derby but some Spurs fans take note of Vicario's shot stopping ability, but they are becoming increasingly critical on his effectiveness on crosses.
     
  6. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    #4656 TorontoCalabria, Sep 15, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2024
    Conte starting 6 italians which is nice to see given some of the Npaoli sides we've seen the last 10 years. Also we now have Folorunsho on the bench which is an upgrade from the stands and of course Raspadori on the bench as well. Not many Italians that will likely be focal points for the national teams but you never know as Conte can revive anyone at his best.

    Cagliari also starting 7 Italians but again no one really on the radar of the national team. Piccoli is an interesting striker who at 23 has a lot of Serie A experience but has not found the net consistently, when I watch him he does look like he has good movement and technique for a bigger guy. Could be someone that competes in that secondary tier with Lucca Pinamonti Colombo behind Scamacca Retegui Kean but again not likely to find a call up without a boat load of goals.

    The other dark horse on Cagliari is former Napoli player Gaetano who spent years on the bench at Napoli and in Serie B on loan with Cremonese but scored 4 in 8 for Cagliari last year after his January transfer. He actaully has a decent goal record overall for a midfielder that has not played many games with 23 goals in 125 apps a lot of which were off the bench with little time.
     
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  7. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Genoa will never be a top team.

    Sampdoria, whenever they get back into the Serie A, will probably end up doing better in the long run but Genoa won't ever be more than a mid-table to relegation dwelling type of club.
     
  8. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Retegui needs service. If he gets it, he can score. That's important in modern calcio. Atalanta is giving him a lot more service than he had last year. This could bode well for us until Camarda is ready.
     
  9. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Fagioli is a funny player. He has great feet and he definitely is more of a regista than Locatelli. However, there is something missing right now with him. He seems a step slow in his anticipation. Balls are a little later than they should be and sometimes his passes are short and intercepted. It's almost as if his timing is off. Perhaps after the suspension he just needs more playing time to get up to speed.
     
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  10. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    Yes they are a weird one they lack any sort of identity. Sampodoria at their best always showcase a player or two with flair Genoa are just an odd one. I can't think of anyone they've contributed to the national team over the last 30 years.
     
  11. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    yes hopefully he is just finding his form again. he is in that half way zone where he is not clinical enough to be an attacking midfielder and lacks the physicality to be a modern regista. he really needs to use his technique to go above and beyond and be virtually perfect to be useful.

    I think with coaching and playing time he can still become a top midfielder but at 23 going on 24 the time really is now. I don't think he can really have a stinker of a season and survive at Juve/Italy. Too many others at his heels.
     
  12. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #4662 falvo, Sep 15, 2024
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2024
    The only Italian player that I recall who really stood out at Genoa was Gennaro Ruotolo but that was only because he stayed with the club for 14 years.

    He didn't have many opportunities in those days as there was a lot of competition at his position but in today's national team, I'm sure he could have found a spot.

    Other than him, I don't recall many others.
     
  13. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    Logged In to write precisely this. 7 & 6 Italians for these 2 clubs is nice to see.

    But according to my info, percentage of foreign players in the league has increased 1 or 2 percentage points compared to this time last season, which I didn't expect given the cancelation of the Growth Decree.

     
  14. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    yeah maybe Criscito but even that is a stretch.
     
  15. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yeah Criscito was ok.
     
  16. TorontoCalabria

    TorontoCalabria Member+

    Fiorentina
    Italy
    Sep 12, 2018
    the thing is there are just more quality italian footballers between the ages of 20-27 right now than there were 4-5 years ago. so while there may be just as many foreigners or slightly more it is very clear more Italians are actually getting minutes.

    teams like Lecce and Udinese are a disgrace in this regard. Torino is also pretty woeful and of course Milan which should change for them at some point soon. but there is improvement and again the quality of italian players available has increased making themselves impossible to ignore even at the level of being solid utility players. Atalanta Fiorentina also fielded a good amount of Italians today and a few years ago both sides were lacking any Italian starters to speak of really.
     
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  17. AGomes

    AGomes Member+

    Juventus
    Brazil
    Aug 29, 2023
    I'll take a crack at it:

    - Casadei: Shouldn't be in the discussion. He will certainly leave Chels in January and then he will need to put a few months together. At best he gets recalled to the U21's. Which he's been dropped from given his club situation.

    - Ruggeri: IMO, if one of Dimarco or Udogie get injured, he will be the player drawn in as LWB. Unless Spalletti would use Calafiori there. Ruggeri is right there.

    - Gnonto: In a 3-5-2, really not needed. Chiesa ahead of him.

    - Liberali: LW or Attacking Mid. I'd take him over Pellegrini.

    - Camarda: I maintain he should have been brought on and played the last 10 Minutes versus Isreal given the 2 Goal lead. Haven't deviated from my earlier opinion that unless Milan bring him to the First Team, he will remain with the Unders.

    - Pafundi: Baldanzi ahead of him. Which takes me to....

    - Baldanzi: His Roma career will likely mirror his Italy career. If he over takes Pellegrini at Roma, likely will do so with Italy. Beware of players that wear their socks low -- they are ballers.

    Fabbian and Bovè: Suddenly with new found Tonali, Ricci, Frattesi and Barella not going anywhere, not urgent.
     
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  18. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Best Italians of the weekend so far according to the pagelle’s (two more games today)

    Cutrone

    Viti, Grassi
    Gatti, Locatelli

    Gabbia

    Gollini
    Mancini, Pisilli

    Brescianini, Retegui
    Mandragora, Kean

    Meret, Di Lorenzo, Buongiorno, Spinazzola, Politano

    Izzo, Maldini
    Dimarco
     
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  19. 'Uaglio

    'Uaglio Member+

    Jun 8, 2004
    NYC
    Cutrone feels like he should be 32, but he's actually 26 LOL Maybe he's a late bloomer? He was a highly regarded prospect who never really put it all together. We'll see.
     
  20. Azzurrifan87

    Azzurrifan87 Member+

    Club: Frosinone
    Mar 29, 2015
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Sampdoria are a mess. They have one of the worst squads I've ever seen even for Serie B standards.
     
  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Samp are a mess now but they will probably be back and win something before Genoa will.
     
  22. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Based on what? Past glory?
     
  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Of course because they are a bigger and better club.

    Just like Napoli, being in Serie C in 2004 and winning the scudetto a year ago.

    If anyone knows the history of the Serie A, the same teams are the ones who always win a trophy or a medal.

    The last time Genoa won anything was the Serie B in 1988–89.

    Their 9 scudetti were over 100 years ago:

    Serie A: Winners (9):

    1898
    1899
    1900
    1902
    1903
    1904
    1914–15
    1922–23
    1923–24
     
  24. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I don't really think Radrizzani is the guy to bring them to glory.
     
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  25. indestructible

    indestructible Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Jan 14, 2007
    Mercato Professor
    Club:
    SSC Napoli
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    You’re stuck in the early 90’s here falvo. It’s true that Genoa haven’t won anything in a century but Samp too haven’t won anything since 1992. It’s not like Samp have millions of fans and are some sleeping giant like Napoli was. In the city of Genova, they are equal in terms of support. Genoa even enjoy slightly better attendance and season ticket holders.

    Since Genoa came back to Serie A 2007, Samp have been relegated twice. Genoa have stable ownership, and Samp have been a disaster in recent years. To me these clubs are equal
     

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