Semifinales (Vuelta) - Boca Jrs. vs Cucuta Dep. (R)

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  1. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I don't think it is that it helps Boca specifically, as much as it helps attackers over defenders. And since Boca was doing all of the attacking, it helped Boca.

    The fog makes it more likely to cause mistakes by everybody, and of course a mistake by a forward is not as bad as a mistake by a defender. That is why it is likely to help the attackers. You are more likely to get fluke goals.

    I do think Boca got more scoring chances because of the fog. As far as the goals, I think it might have been a factor only in the second one, with the defender mishitting the ball before it got to Palermo. The other two goals were not aided by fog.

    But the way I see it, fog or no fog, heat or no heat, Boca clearly looked like the better team over the course of the two games, even though I give credit to Cucuta for being a tough opponent and for their great campaign overall.
     
  2. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    I have Boca's yearbook. It says Boca has lost 7 times at home in Libertadores.

    Funny, they hardly ever lost, but they lost twice in 66 and 94. Following are Boca's losses at home in Libertadores:

    1963 Boca 1 Santos 2

    1966 Boca 0 Alianza Lima 1
    Boca 0 Independiente 2

    1994 Boca 1 Cruzeiro 2
    Boca 1 Velez 2

    2001 Boca 0 Cruz Azul 1 (But Boca won the penalty shootout)

    2003 Boca 0 Paysandu 1 (But Boca won the series)
     
  3. Paul_NL

    Paul_NL Red Card

    May 18, 2006
    Thanks.

    Didn´t they lose against Chivas as well? Or was that game never finished?

    Pretty impressive home record. Must be one of the best of the big teams in the world
     
  4. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    knocked out by chivas, but the home leg (second game) was 0-0
     
  5. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Never lost to Chivas at La Bombonera. We did lose one quaterfinal series to them though, a couple of years ago. (As so many Mexican fans seem to remember.)
     
  6. efernandez9

    efernandez9 Member

    Jun 6, 1999
    Joe Pool Lake
    los jugadores de boca se conocen de memoria esa cancha- apaga luces y tapales los ojos, igual juegan de frente al arco!

    cucuta: UNICO ERROR, no haberse retirado de la cancha en el minuto 6 o 7 del segundo!

    de todas maneras era una tarea muy dificil de visitante.
     
  7. atsegnorts

    atsegnorts Member

    Apr 2, 2007
    Falls Church
    Club:
    The Strongest La Paz
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    FIFA SHOULD VETO PLAYING IN ARGENTINA WITH THOSE DUMBA** FANS THROWING FIRECRAKERS AND FLARES AT OPPONING TEAMS HOW DUMB CAN YOU GET AND ALSO WITH THE FOG IT WAS AN UNFAIR HOME ADVANTAGE FOR THE WHINNY ASS ARGENTINS:confused: .
     
  8. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina

    He doesn't mean it. He is being sarcastic, in response to FIFA banning games in altitude.
     
  9. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Here are Boca's results at home so far at this year's Libertadores:
    (Some of these games were played at Velez stadium, not La Bombonera)

    Boca 1 Cienciano 0
    Boca 3 Toluca 0
    Boca 7 Bolivar 0
    Boca 3 Velez 0
    Boca 1 Libertad 1
    Boca 3 Cucuta 0

    W 5 D 1 L 0
    GF 18 GC 1

    Not bad at all!

    They haven't been as hot on the road tough.

    Bolivar 0 Boca 0
    Toluca 2 Boca 0
    Cienciano 3 Boca 0
    Velez 3 Boca 1
    Libertad 0 Boca 2
    Cucuta 3 Boca 1

    W 1 D 1 L 4
    GF 3 GC 11

    At least they got the win when they needed it, in Asuncion.
     
  10. elciclon

    elciclon New Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    BOEDO
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    i saw half and heard the other half. and have to say that the officiating was pretty bad, also why is it that all teams fear la bombonera. every team thats gone there puts themselves in a bunker. of course boca is going to win if you put you're 10 behind the half line and let them control the ball. the only salvation so that a bolivian team doesnt win this years libertadores is for gremio to get an early goal in bombonera. they are strong at home and boca sometimes faulters at this places. thing is boca did beat santos in brasil 2 years ago.
     
  11. Century's Best

    Century's Best Member+

    Jul 29, 2003
    USA
    Gremio might score one... they didn't vs. SPFC or Defensor Sporting, but they did score one on Santos' ground.

    And Boca-Santos was 2003, not 2005.
     
  12. elciclon

    elciclon New Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    BOEDO
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    touche, i was actually in argentina during that game. man santos got owned. anyways with saja in gremio boca doesnt stand a chance.:p
     
  13. jass

    jass Member

    Oct 12, 2006
    Club:
    Parana Curitiba
    Nat'l Team:
    Mexico
    The same color as the boca jersey in fact. Obviously, the ball is biased.

    I watched the first 50 mintues on TV. Whos bright idea was it to allow both teams to play in dark uniforms? Half the time I had no idea who had the ball.

    The production was interesting though. The sideline cameras were used ALOT.
     
  14. cordobesenUS

    cordobesenUS New Member

    Nov 12, 2005
    Austin-TX
    Under normal conditions the result would have been a good 5-0. The ref made some mistakes but by no means there was any penalty on that play. The goalie went after the ball and indeed hit it off course, the colombian player ran into him afterwards, the goalie made no effort to stretch his hands trying to stop him, it's no different than when the cucuta goalie jumped in the air and landed in palermos back. Cucuta didn't make any efforts except for that free kick the ref gave them. Riquelmes goal came in a perfectly called free kick. The fog affected both sides, had cucuta attacked the fog would have played in their favor. Some of these people talking about unfairness, let me tell you, it was cucuta that wanted to continue the game when asked. Argentine teams have been playing in altitudes for years against teams and they had an unfair advantage every single time and we never said anything, never even complained, as a matter of fact we withdrew our complaint with Fifa allowing those teams that take advantage of us to keep doing it. As for the refs, in the last game against Libertad they robbed Boca of a totally legitimate goal, we get screwed by the refs most of the time, that would include world cups where they give non existent penalty shots against us (argentina england 2002) or they do not call penaties in our favor when they do exist (argentina switzerland last week, a clear handball). And yet we never cry or say shat about that. Refs are not perfect, we know that better than anybody else, after all we were robbed of the final of the 1990 world cup with that mexican ref, the same way we were robbed against holland in 1998 when Ortega correctly sent off should have been sent off along with Van der Sar who was the one that provoked the entire incident but wasn't.
     
  15. Paul_NL

    Paul_NL Red Card

    May 18, 2006
    Provoking is no justification for a reaction and it did not change the game
     
  16. Paul_NL

    Paul_NL Red Card

    May 18, 2006
    Provoking is no justification for a reaction and it did not change the game
     
  17. psss

    psss New Member

    Jun 8, 2007
    boca juniors is team known in south america for winning games in the libertadores with help of the refs.

    Last night the ref did not call a penalty in the first half when pahoy was rugby tackled by an argentinian defender. Then he gives riquelme a free kick on the top of the area. but was there really a foul there? Ofcourse the uruguayian referee gives yellows to the colombians but not to the argentines who make vicious tackles. uruguay is a brother country of argentina and always help each other like this. they only bring shame to their countries. There also was another penalty at the end of the second half, again pahoy fouled. Please. argentinians qualify but everyone knows they are bathed in shame.
     
  18. Paul_NL

    Paul_NL Red Card

    May 18, 2006
    Look up the word Botnia

    While you are at it, Calimero as well
     
  19. locoxriver

    locoxriver Moderator
    Staff Member

    May 22, 2005
    Los Angeles
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Unless he receives 7 goals, like the last time he faced Boca (but with San Lorenzo's jersey). :eek:
     
  20. elciclon

    elciclon New Member

    Mar 12, 2005
    BOEDO
    Club:
    CA San Lorenzo de Almagro
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    i said it once and ill say ti twice when you have a slow player like botinelli covering palacio. you are going to get owned. out of those 7 goals 2 or 3 were his fault.
     
  21. cordobesenUS

    cordobesenUS New Member

    Nov 12, 2005
    Austin-TX



    Would you like a cleanex? go blow your nose boy.
     
  22. bosterosoy

    bosterosoy New Member

    Jan 22, 2007
    In a House
    you have obviously been watching to much European footie. The penalty in the first half was a clear penalty...if it was being played in Europe. But in South America, that isn't a pk. since when is a shoulder to shoulder tackle a foul??

    The second supposed 'penalty' is also a ridiculous claim. Caranta gets the entire ball. Just because the Cucuta coach walked all the way to midfield doesn't mean it was a pk
     
  23. Paul_NL

    Paul_NL Red Card

    May 18, 2006
    That wont be a penalty in Europe neither
     
  24. psss

    psss New Member

    Jun 8, 2007
    are you retarded? the first penalty wasn't shoulder to shoulder because the rugy tacklers arm, that is the boca player's arm, detached from his body when he made the tackle. that annuls your shoulder to shoulder theory.

    the second i concede wasn't a penalty.
     
  25. Paul_NL

    Paul_NL Red Card

    May 18, 2006
    You are a retard. Whatever you want
     

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