Semi-Official 2024 San Jose Earthquakes Roster Thread.

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  1. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    Which I told you that... during your tantrums of not spending.
     
  2. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
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    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
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    Aside from Miami Toronto Chicago Nashville at the top and St Luis Montreal at the bottom, the other MLS teams are quite close to each other in total salary... of course this doesn't show transfer fees
     
  3. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem with making definitive statements like "spending more money doesn't correlate to winning in MLS like it does in pretty much every other sports league in the world" is that they're heavily dependent on random events like, are Inter Miami and Toronto FC some of the best teams in the league this year or some of the worst teams in the league this year...

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  4. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    :confused:
     
  5. Earthshaker

    Earthshaker BigSoccer Supporter

    Sep 12, 2005
    The hills above town
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yueill regret it!:p
     
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  6. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  7. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #107 QuakeAttack, Jul 1, 2024
    Last edited: Jul 1, 2024
    I think that you are being too nice:

    A - Wilson (all other A should move to C)
    B - Move all of them to C except for Costa
    D - add a "D"rop row and move Tommie, Beason, Baldismo, Gruevo, Judd, and the guy just transferred to Monterey.

    Harsh? Akapo and few others may have been B last year. Not this year.
     
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  8. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
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    San Jose Earthquakes
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    United States
    I was trying to be unbiased.

    However if you want the real opinion I have?

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  9. Boysinblue

    Boysinblue Member

    Jul 31, 2011
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Did Vitor Costa get a green card or did the MLSsoccer.com roster page make a mistake? Was looking through thinking where to cut int'ls to get more spots to use for U-22s next season.
     
  10. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Not sure. Would be nice if he got a green card. He's been OK. Pretty good defense, he's scored a few goals with his head I think - good in the air. Otherwise on the attack, he's somewhat "meh", and extremely one-footed like about half of the Quakes roster. But his guaranteed salary is ~$380k. Wouldn't be the worst player to keep around (and pretty sure his contract runs thru next year), especially if he has a green card.

    BTW did we ever find out what Hernán's salary is? I don't think MLS salaries have been updated to include midseason signings.
     
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  11. QuakeAttack

    QuakeAttack Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    California - Bay Area
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was thinking that Costa and Akapu were Ok this year. Other than Daniel and Hernan, our problem was our spine. Need to replace all of them.
     
  12. bsman

    bsman Member+

    May 30, 2001
    MadCity
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes

    Holy ******** -

    Hernán López San Jose Earthquakes Attacking Midfield $850,000.00 $1,020,000.00

    I'd call that quite the bargain, and it also counters those folks who maintain that signing Lopez meant that Fisher wasn't still a cheapskate...
     
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  13. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, I was curious as to what Hernán was making. My guess was $2M. So I guess I was off by a cool million. Only thing that does is change my expectation of where we'd be in final team spending. I thought the Hernán signing would move us up a few slots but probably not much or at all, since a lot of teams made midseason signings.
     
  14. SoccerMan94043

    SoccerMan94043 Member+

    May 29, 2003
    San Jose
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    had to pay a 6M transfer fee (I think) so not as cheap as it sounds. But certainly 1M a year for any starting CM is a bargain in MLS.
     
  15. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    It's not unusual for big transfer guys in MLS to be making suprisingly small salaries, at least at first. We expect the salary to be somehow commensurate with the transfer but that's not always the case. The transfer is the deal with the team(s), and the salary is the deal with player. In Hernán's case it was probably a 2x raise or more? Just guessing. I don't know what guys make in Argentina, but more important is the exchange rate. Imagine what $1M is in Argentine currency. Someone I know has taken private lessons from Brazilian musicians over zoom, and it is surprisingly reasonable. A $50 lesson is probably worth the equivalent of $150 in Brazil.

    Another way to look at it from a Fish perspective is that Hernán cost him $6M + $1M salary - $4M Cade transfer. So net about $3M which is supposedly what we paid to transfer in Gruezo :cry:
     
  16. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    $1m salary is pretty much in line with a $6m transfer fee
     
  17. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    We got 7 players making a pretty good salary by MLS standards

    I seriously doubt they were making this much in their domestic leagues, otherwise, they wouldn't have come here.

    You would think they will have been capable of getting more than 6 wins 25 losses and 3 draws.

    Hernán López Attacking Midfield $1,020,000.00

    Jamar Ricketts Left-back $72,988.00

    Amahl Pellegrino Left Wing $912,500.00
    Bruno Wilson Center-back $1,000,000.00 $1,118,333.00


    Alfredo Morales Central Midfield $300,000.00 $335,500.00
    Jack Skahan Central Midfield $150,000.00
    Vitor Costa Left-back $388,333.00
    William Yarbrough Goalkeeper $385,000.00
    Tommy Thompson Right-back $89,716.00
    Benjamin Kikanović Left Wing $328,700.00
    Chance Cowell Left Wing $71,401.00
    Paul Marie Right-back $332,500.00

    Cristian Espinoza Right Wing $2,002,000.00


    Will Richmond Right Wing $89,716.00
    Casey Walls Center-back $203,000.00
    Daniel Munie Center-back $71,401.00
    Ousseni Bouda Left Wing $127,500.00

    Carlos Gruezo defensive Midfield $1,681,086.00


    Niko Tsakiris Central Midfield $114,167.00
    Jackson Yueill Central Midfield $936,875.00
    Jacob Jackson Goalkeeper $89,716.00

    Antônio Josenildo Rodrigues de Oliveira Center-back $708,000.00

    Carlos Akapo Right-back $595,111.00
    JT Marcinkowski Goalkeeper $400,000.00
    Preston Judd Center Forward $89,716.00
    Daniel de Sousa Britto Goalkeeper $425,000.00

    Jeremy Ebobisse Center Forward $1,005,361.00

    Michael Baldisimo Defensive Midfield $105,000.00
    Tanner Beason Center-back $300,000.00
    Oscar Verhoeven Right-back $103,111.00
    Edwyn Mendoza Defensive Midfield $83,841.00
    Emmanuel Ochoa Goalkeeper $170,071.00
    Cruz Medina Central Midfield $128,394.00
     
  18. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    I don't think there's necessarily any static coefficient is there? A lot depends on what the player was already making and other factors. Paintsil was reportedly a $9M transfer and is making over $4M with the Gals. Pec is making $2.5M at a reported $10M salary.
     
  19. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Paintsil is an older and more established player who put up big numbers in a decent European league for Genk, so his salary is a higher percentage of his transfer fee than younger and less proven guys like Pec or Lopez because his transfer fee is based more on current production than on future potential.
     
  20. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    #121 JazzyJ, Oct 25, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2024
    Yeah, that's why I don't think there's any sort of constant coefficient, even a ballpark one, that would take transfer fee to salary. Depends on the player, their production, what league they're playing in, what their previous salary was, etc. Pec and Hernán have been mentioned as kind of comparable "creative young South American players" but Pec's salary is around 2.5x Hernán's salary. I guess it's because Pec had more of a track record with his club team.

    https://totalfootballanalysis.com/a...inents-most-creative-young-players-using-data

    BTW, in that article Hernán, Pec, and Seattle's De La Vega are all mentioned. So far, their success in MLS appears to be: Pec > Hernán > De La Vega. De La Vega's was injured for much of the season, but just 1g, 1a in 16 games, 9 starts. I've seen him play a few times and was not impressed. The old "working into top fitness" thing only goes so far. As for Pec, I wonder how much success he'd have playing for the Quakes. As I've mentioned before, Paintsil is more scary to me than Pec even though I think Pec has better numbers this year.
     
  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    From Reddit....

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  22. Kaitlyn

    Kaitlyn Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    Feb 25, 2014
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So whats the excuse for Montreal and Colorado being in the playoffs? Tbey dont pay anything.

    Philly will be fine, they missed 70% of their roster this season, and the Revolution, Fire and Austin suck ass for spending so much.

    Theres a lot to the theory @JazzyJ has with spend smart vs just spend... everyone is log jammed between 14-16 million. Thats give or take 1 extra dp. If we dumped Gruezo and got another Lopez level striker in terms of salary were at 15 or 16 million...
     
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  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #124 falvo, Oct 25, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 25, 2024
    As opposed to Fisher, Joey Saputo is a hands-on owner and he has a lot to say about Montreal....

    Many times , he uses his ties with his other team he owns in Bologna to scout and sign players.

    Also, I think hiring Chris Armas has helped the CRapids...he seemed to turn them around this year...

    Looking at TFC, they didn't do much with the almost $32 million they spent.

    They ended up 11th in the east and 22nd overall.....
     
  24. JazzyJ

    JazzyJ BigSoccer Supporter

    Jun 25, 2003
    Yeah, of the 4 teams below us or just above us in spending, 3 made the playoffs. And our transfer fee spending wasn't paltry this year either for once. So again I think it mostly just boils down to not making the best decisions on the roster.
     
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