Semi-finals

Discussion in '2016 Olympic Women's Soccer Tournament' started by Lusankya, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Mesa, Az
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You honestly think so? I see 85% of it is claims that it was a biased ref calling the game for the US and cheating Americans. I would say 99% of the times I mention the penalties not called on the Canadians it is to refute that the game was biased in favor of the US women. I didn't miss a match the Canadian women played and support both teams. I feel for the ref, just like I felt bad for the ref that blew the US men's game in the WC. That is their pinnacle for their job, and they 'failed'. I felt bad for the Canadian women because they played one of the best games I have ever seen them play. I felt bad for the American women because they always came back and would not give up.

    But what I really hate about the whole thing is how people are blaming the loss on 2 calls. The score was 4-3, if it was 1-0 I could see being upset but the team gave up 4 goals. Both calls are valid, it isn't like the keeper got ride of the ball under 6 seconds, or the ball never made contact with either players arm/hand. It hurts because of ALL the no calls that happened, I get that too. I am embarrassed by McLeod's comments. She said she was *never* warned. Then we found out she was warned at half time. Then we found out she was most likely warned during the second half several times. OR everyone else is lying. I am embarrassed by the comments of the women's team and the lack of class and sportsmanship they displayed. I understand the emotion and frustration, but that still lacks professionalism. I am embarrassed that Coach Herdman can make statements about the illegal tactics of the Americans on set plays and then fans and players whine that Wambach tried to influence the game with comments on McLeod holding the ball too long.

    Most of all I am upset that a game I had been looking forward to for months was ruined so badly. Canadians are talking about how the US 'cheated', instead of Sinclair's hat trick. And we've slipped back into that 'victim' role that always comes around when we lose to the US, and I hate seeing that.

    Edit: I have to admit I felt I was a winner either way, one of my teams was going to play for the Gold. But somehow I ended up losing.
     
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  2. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Quotes from Anson Dorrance via Jeff Carlisle (ESPN) on Twitter:



     
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  3. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  4. Macksam

    Macksam Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Brampton, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    A couple of American players would have been sent off as well. Both teams were physical, including the American forwards who were barging into the back of Canadian defenders and trying to knock them off balance when they were shielding balls out of touch. Tancredi also was the victum of harsh tackles as well. However, the one where she went at full speed, she actually touched the ball first so it was clean to a certain extent. Granted, it was a strong shoulder challange.
     
  5. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Mesa, Az
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But what keeps getting twisted here, is that this is poor officiating. Not biased officiating, poor. Asserting herself early would have given us a totally different game, however most Canadians responding assumes that means a Canadian win instead of a game that looks nothing like what we watched.
     
  6. skybolt

    skybolt Member

    Dec 16, 2011
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    My gut tells me that the 3rd place match will not be a typical 3rd place match. First of all it will be for a bronze medal, which is a good stepping stone for both France or Canada. Secondly, I think both teams want to prove a point and will play this game like it was a final. This could be a barn burner.
     
  7. newsouth

    newsouth Member

    Nov 20, 2010
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Well, at least you got that part right. :whistling:
     
  8. StarCityFan

    StarCityFan BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 2, 2001
    Greenbelt, MD
    Club:
    Washington Freedom
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  9. cloak

    cloak Member

    Aug 25, 2010
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    I do believe Chastaen has shattered the record for the amount of times one user has used the word "biased" in one thread. A meaningless word since everyone is biased and objectivity is myth.

    I am disappointed by some of the American fans who simply will not let go of the false, generalized notion that CANWNT fans believe Pedersen had it in for team Canada. None of us have actually said that or believe it, yet if we say something like "stolen", you automatically associate our beliefs with "conspiracy" and "match fixing" as an easy but unfounded way to quell any kind of argument. Lazy.

    You essentially declare anyone who believes that match was significantly altered in favor of the Americans (through no fault of their own) as being radical...you seek a gag-order for any semblance of taint associated with the USWNT win, and for me that is the most shocking part. Why can't you just admit the US was very lucky to receive two dubious and significant calls in their favor within one minute? Pride, I suppose. There are worse qualities.

    All I know is Tancredi's fouls and style of play (our most American player) are regularly compared as an equal to the IFK and PK. You say we are leaving out suspect Canadian play, but I've never heard anything other than Tancredi, Tancredi, Tancredi, and the shirt-tugging. The shirt-tug is particularly amusing since the clip or .gif most of us have seen features an American with both arms around the Canadian who has a hold of the shirt. Tancredi should've been off the field? Fine. Rapinoe easily could have accumulated red.

    So please, don't patronize anyone with common sense that at the end of the day it was somehow balanced. It wasn't. People quoting and referring to the 6-second rule ("but it's a rule!!") is sickening. It may be a rule, yes, but the rules of the game never played into Pedersen's decision or mindset, since Solo actually had the longest holds of the game in the first half. The idea was planted in Pedersen's head very early on and she eventually caved to pressure rather than context, the ultimate failure of an official. It was a fair ploy by USWNT and I will not speak ill of it. Lost in the shuffle though, what should be getting the attention, is the unthinkable PK call.

    In summation, there was no conspiracy, no dark complexity involved. Stupidity took over with a vengeance. Any and all controversy is warranted though, and to reject even that is simply a lack of humility.
     
  10. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    I'm not sure who you are preaching to. The USA had Jaqui Melcham and Nicole Petignat twice.

    This might be a call for some better referees, even if they happen to be of another gender. Some of these refs aren't getting it done.

    < edit> never mind, I just recalled Howard Webb.

    We are doomed.
     
  11. kolabear

    kolabear Member+

    Nov 10, 2006
    los angeles
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Careful there. We could get stuck with Coulibaly... Remember US vs Slovenia?



    ah Nicole Petignat, the Swiss Witch. Canada perhaps should be glad they now have their Troll of Old Trafford - it's kind of a sign that they've arrived on the world scene.
     
  12. Cliveworshipper

    Cliveworshipper Member+

    Dec 3, 2006

    I retract. Check my edit.
     
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  13. hacster

    hacster Member

    Jan 19, 2007
    Wow, first rate piece of condensation there. How dare anyone entertain the notion that Canada's luck in not being reduced to 10 players (for a stomp to the head no less) at the 55 minute mark with the score tied 1-1 is somehow comparable to the US's luck in being awarded an IFK in the 75th minute.

    What has surprised me throughout this discussion is the apparent refusal of Canadian supporters to consider the possibility that something other than the 6-second call may have been responsible for the result. While I think the question is open to a lot more debate than you do, on balance I think the 6-second call was wrong, at least under the circumstances, but that's a long way from "Canada was robbed." The ref screwed up a lot, on both sides, but I guess that's just my American hubris showing again.
     
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  14. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Mesa, Az
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    All a person has to do is read the posts on Big Soccer by Canadian fans saying the game was called 'one sided'. You can watch TSN and the announcers echo the 'fixed' sentiment. Read articles on the Sun, and then the replies. You can read the comments from the players.

    You are wrong.

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/08/08/norwegian-ref-done-for-olympic-soccer-tourney

    "Captain Christine Sinclair suggested the outcome had been determined before the opening kickoff and other Canadians suggested the referee gave the game to the Americans."

    http://www.edmontonsun.com/2012/08/06/fans-blame-refs-for-heartbreaking-loss

    Read the Tweets from Canadian fans that are listed.

    "US are a bunch of cheats. They can't win anything without buying it. Like how they bought the ref and how they bought out the drug officials that should have suspended Hope Solo. She failed a drug test but somehow was cleared to play??? Doesn't make sense to me."

    http://www.cbc.ca/olympics/soccer/story/2012/08/06/sp-olympics-soccer-women-canada-usa-day-10.html

    "Canada 3, US and their massively incompetent and biased referee 4."
    "wow,,, i have seen some one sided reffing before but that was disgraceful.
    Ladies you deserved better. You really are true Canadians .
    What a joke the americans are."
    "I can handle watching the Canadian squad losing.
    But I can't handle it if it's due to flagrantly biased officiating. The fix is obviously in"
    "Watching the game between US and Canada, obviously the have a referee that is olaying with the American colors...not one, not twice but many times favor the US team ilegally as we can see it on the TV screen clearly...other applied a rule whereby it is not a rule, as goalie clear the ball and she was not stepping outside the area whatsoever....I am a professional soccer player, I know...."
    "Canada outplayed the USA.
    the officiating referee ,in my view ,was bias in her calls. towards team USA."
    "FIFA is not appalled by the ref,
    After all, she did exactly what she was supposed to do, with the desired result."

    There are 99 pages of comments on the last one, with the expected mixture of responses.

    But it is plain to see that "none of you saying that" is far, far from the truth...
     
  15. Roger Allaway

    Roger Allaway Member+

    Apr 22, 2009
    Warminster, Pa.
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At least a few have said it. There was the poster who, in reply to another poster who had doubted that the game was fixed, said: "Of course, it's hard to think otherwise." And there is the captain of the Canadian team, who said "the ref decided the result before the game started." So while, "few of us" would probably be correct, I don't think that "none of us" is.
     
  16. Non-dairy Creamer

    Feb 28, 2007
    the canadians have been booing the US anthem for much longer than 2002, this started long before that. Where have you been? are you only 10 years old?

    and speaking of Boston, "those lovely people in Boston", here's your own NATIONAL broadcaster, your most famous hockey commentator, Don Cherry, talking about this.

    Fact: our anthem was booed in Montreal by classless canadians and the Boston faithful refused to boo it back, in fact cheering loudly during the whole anthem. And Bos/Mtl is a huuuuge historic rivalry.

    this is proof that americans have more class when it comes to this, we have no reason to boo your anthem.




    maybe you're the one who should "get the f*ck out of here"
     
  17. Left Inside

    Left Inside Member

    Dec 15, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    What is it with a few not-very-bright American sports fans that they turn the actions of a few idiots into a generalization about an entire country?

    Insecure much?
     
  18. Macksam

    Macksam Member

    Aug 2, 2007
    Brampton, Canada
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    You basically only validated what I said. I mentioned that Montreal booed the anthem in 2011. I also know very well about how the fans in Boston reacted very nicely. However, what I say about 2002 still applies. when it comes to anthem jeering happening before that, you should prove it instead of making a general statement of "Oh, Canadians have been booing our anthem long before 2002..."
     
  19. Non-dairy Creamer

    Feb 28, 2007
    Insecure? you're just like the shit in our attic we never think aboot.

    it's OK, I have stock in canadian tin foil and pacifiers.
     
  20. Left Inside

    Left Inside Member

    Dec 15, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Oh yeah? Well na na boo boo to you too.

    Grow up.
     
  21. Left Inside

    Left Inside Member

    Dec 15, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    You probably aren't in a position to be aware of this, but a few fans in Montreal have been known to boo the Canadian national anthem when parts of it are sung in English.

    There are idiots everywhere. They pretty much always represent nobody but themselves.
     
  22. DynamoEAR

    DynamoEAR Member+

    May 30, 2011
    HoustAtlantaDMV
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You've have got be kidding.
     
  23. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    For whatever reason the mods aren't listed on the forum page. I wish they would close this thread though.
     
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  24. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham

    Glad I gave you a laugh. You clearly need one. So sad how angry you are.

    You misrepresented my post completely with your edits and you know it. If you don't know it, then you are blinded by your fandom and when you calm down you will recognize it. At least I made it clear I was editing yours.

    Canada had a great match. They lost. Their fans are turning into crybabies. Angry crybabies. Colicky little angry, red-faced crybabies. The US got the breaks it needed, but they didn't cheat or anything. I don't see how me or anyone else saying (1) the game was not fixed and (2) if a different ref had called the game and had made different calls (including not giving a pk for the elbow ball) that the result still might well have been the same, is some hairy palmed effort to preserve (or launch for that matter) USWNT divinity.


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    Congrats on Canada's injury time win in the bronze medal match. Thrilling for Canada's fans, I am sure.

    Consider how you might feel if some French fan decided (angrily) that it was all fixed and how a decent ref would have made the right calls and France would have won. That the Canadians and the ref robbed France of its medal. Wouldn't you appreciate a French fan that said "it's tough to swallow, but hats off to the Canadian girls, they played hard and represented their country well and took their chance." I didn't see the match, but I read that France hit the bar twice or something? Was a close call for a pk denied in this one? Does soccer and its marginal calls not just all sort of even out? Maybe not in Canada -- apparently it's all conspiracy -- at least in this thread.
     
  25. hedur

    hedur Member

    Jun 23, 2006
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Just reading through this thread....the delusion of some of the Canadian fans is simply astonishing.

    McLeod consistently wasted time and held the ball for ridiculous amounts of time throughout the match. 12-18 seconds on six different occasions. She admitted to being warned at halftime, and by other accounts she was warned repeatedly (a warning she acknowledged with a hand wave) throughout the game. Finally, when it was clear she wasn't taking the warnings seriously, and since Canada had just gone up 3-2 with less than 15 minutes to go and she was STILL wasting time, the ref had to take action. Indirect free kick. GREAT call by the ref. The only problem was that it didn't happen sooner. Either way, the Canadian players and their fans have nothing to complain about. Pretty incredible that they are still whining.

    The hand ball infraction could have gone either way. I've seen those called and not called. But the fact is, the defender made contact with the ball with her arm while it was away from her body. Perfectly understandable call for the penalty. Again, Canadian players and fans have nothing to complain about.

    Throughout the game, countless dirty fouls that weren't called including a clear red on Tancredi (as well as many fouls that could have been her second yellow) and at least two missed penalties that I saw (1. right after the penalty goal there was a blatant trip in the box, 2. earlier in the game Abby sandwiched between two Canadians who apparently thought the were playing hockey ). The missed foul calls were excessive and clearly didn't favor any one side.

    The people saying Canada was robbed are either lying or completely out of touch with reality.
     

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