Semi-finals

Discussion in '2016 Olympic Women's Soccer Tournament' started by Lusankya, Aug 4, 2012.

  1. newsouth

    newsouth Member

    Nov 20, 2010
    Club:
    Santos FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    you're talking to deaf american ears. they think the game was called uneven both ways, so that travesty which equalized the game at 3:3 was completely fair and well reffed.
     
  2. sitruc

    sitruc Member+

    Jul 25, 2006
    Virginia
    1+1≠3

    Simply because a poster (regardless of nationality or ability to hear) thinks the match was "uneven both ways" does not mean they believe the match was well officiated. "Uneven both ways" alone implies the officiating was not good.
     
  3. matthewsss

    matthewsss New Member

    Jan 22, 2012
    Club:
    TFC Academy
    I agree with the premise here, but don't kid yourself, Christine Sinclair has been a household name in Canada for years now. She proved herself during the u19's in 2002 when she was still a teenager, and captivated the masses for the first time on the big stage. Regardless of what happened last night, she was already the greatest football to come out of Canada (men included), and the average Canadian has been well aware of that for years.
     
  4. TittleTums

    TittleTums Member

    Feb 23, 2009
    Club:
    West Ham United FC
    Maybe a household name to soccer fans, but not to the average Canadian. My Mom now knows who Sinclair is, so does my brother and best friend. She was the main topic of conversation. Two days ago, they didn't know who she was....sorry, that has been my experience. We must run in different circles.
     
  5. matthewsss

    matthewsss New Member

    Jan 22, 2012
    Club:
    TFC Academy
    It would appear so. I think most people were familiarized with her starting with the u19's in Edmonton in 2002. 80K in a packed commonwealth as she captained an inexperienced and extremely young Canadian team to the finals. I remember CBC had rediculously high viewers for that game, a record I believe. I don't think I can name a single person I know who wouldn't instantly know who Christine Sinclair is, and this is before yesterday.
     
  6. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    More is coming out, and it appears there were warnings, several, given, though not the highly visible/public ones I would have preferred to preceed a call like that. Abby is quoted as saying she did count to the ref several times (a behaviour alone that the ref should not have tolerated) and that the ref did warn by waving to the keeper to get moving, which the keeper acknowledged and put the ball back into active play.

    IF all is true, at some point a line needs to be drawn. The ref forum has someone who timed all the instances the keeper held the ball, they were almost all over 6, most over 10, a couple approaching 18-20. If all accurate, and if the ref did warn her, then I can see the call being made eventually. As a ref, I'd never make that call unless I had made a spectacle out of one of the public warnings, as in running down, yelling, pointing at my watch.

    We will probably never know the honest truth of it because FIFA in general doesn't let the refs do news conferences.

    All that aside, it was a very exciting game to watch!
     
  7. Berchtesgaden

    Berchtesgaden Member+

    May 18, 2011
    Milwaukee
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    I have seen it all now. You lecturing people on being unfair and unbalanced.
     
  8. adrenaline11

    adrenaline11 Member+

    Jul 29, 2010
    Toronto
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Canada
    In the post match interviews on Canadian television, Sinclair actually apologized for letting Canada down.
     
  9. winster

    winster Member

    Jul 7, 2008
    Club:
    Besiktas JK
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Given that the NBC highlights don't show the actual incident, I can't show you any video or photo. I'm sure I could go back rewatch the whole game just to capture a screenshot of the incident, but I'm not going to take the time to do so and I don't expect anyone else to either.
     
  10. beerslinger23

    beerslinger23 Member+

    Jun 26, 2010
    Canada played dirty and got what they deserved. Why no red card for Tancredi
     
  11. PacmanJr_00

    PacmanJr_00 Member

    Aug 29, 2010
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    She also elbowed Abby in the face.
     
  12. Area 51

    Area 51 Member+

    Sep 5, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Why no red cards to the various americans who stamped on sinclairs foot? once in the first half, another in the second. Both blatantly late?

    Tancredi played exactly like your precious wambach agressive, in your face, on the edge..always in the middle of things. To call one a "aggressive" player and not the other is incorriect imho. of courst the stomp on the head is a red card, and i certainly don't condone such a thing, should be a sending off, but shes not a "disgusting" player overall who does it every match.
     
  13. Left Inside

    Left Inside Member

    Dec 15, 2010
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    The first time she did she should have been warned. The second time she did it she should have been carded.

    Waving your arms is not a warning. Warnings about fouls are given verbally, directly and to the point. Wave your arms or point at your watch to emphasize the poiut, sure, but unless you actually spell it out, you haven't issued a warning. Erin McLeod is adamant that the only conversation she had with any official about moving things along was the assistant, who spoke to her at the half in general terms about keeping the game moving. According to her, no reference was made to the 6 second rule.

    The poster who did the timing also said this: "McLeod always immediately stood up and ran to the top of the area, whereas the smarter mens GK always lay on the ground for 10 seconds and then slowly move to the top of the area. I suspect that this made it seem like McLeod was taking longer than she did."[/quote]
     
  14. 8MaCookies

    8MaCookies Member

    Jan 3, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Kyle wasn't chasing the ball going endline, she was above the 18 probably around 24 yrds out, she took a touch foward, and never picked her head up before or after her 1st touch. Kyle elected to shoot and not pass there was more than enough time for Kyle to look and for support.
     
  15. skybolt

    skybolt Member

    Dec 16, 2011
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    At least she had an assist off a corner on the 3rd goal, so we can't fault the girl on that one play.
     
  16. 8MaCookies

    8MaCookies Member

    Jan 3, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Absolutely Kyle should be blamed. She went for personal glory over the team. Canadian fans can, fault Kyle on that missed opportunity. That shoot she took instand of passing the play took place around the 85th mintue; the higher percentage shot would have been to play the ball to Sinclair than allow the play to develop from there a possible shot or another pass.

    Kyle attempt was a very low percentage at success. Canada didn't get as many opportunities on goal as us, that play imo was the match.
     
  17. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But you just did, what does Abbi have to do with Tancredi's stomp? Nothing, but you will mention it in an attempt to justify it.

    Much like the complaints of Wambach trying to influence the referee calling the game, many people I have spoken to today were saying it was unfair and changed the outcome of the match. When asked about the Canadian coaches comments about the US before the game their faces go blank and they say "What do you mean?".

    There were a ton of bad calls in the game, but for some reason many Canadians overlook the ones that went their way and claim the ref had a US bias. Then insist the US fans are biased too. So why is their response to ignore the bad calls that went Canada's way and point out the ones that went the way of the US team...doesn't that go back to the "bad calls against both sides"?
     
  18. Gilmoy

    Gilmoy Member+

    Jun 14, 2005
    Pullman, Washington
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My mistake; we're discussing 2 different plays. Yours was indeed Kyle, on the left:

    The play I meant was actually by Schmidt on the right, and not Kyle. I remembered it incorrectly (and can't edit now).
    This may have been the sequence started when Matheson took the ball (and O'Hara's toes :p no call) off O'Hara's foot. Schmidt had Sinclair at box top center for the cutback pass. I don't fault her -- she's a midfielder, and probably isn't used to 1-v-1-v-1 sandwich chases at high speed deep in the box.

    I don't think "personal" anything entered into it. More a case of a young(er) player not being able slow the game down in her mind for that field configuration. That comes after you've seen those situations a few times, and have had time to sleep, dream, and update long-term memory.
     
  19. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  20. troutseth

    troutseth Member+

    Feb 1, 2006
    Houston, TX
    And I think this is the truth of the matter. Fact is with a different ref, the game would have been called differently and the outcome could have been much different - in either direction. The 6 second may not have been called, neither or both potential handling of the balls could have been called, the stomp could have been called, the trip on Morgan could have been called . . . who knows. But if behooves people to focus on one aspect as the critical play.
     
  21. Area 51

    Area 51 Member+

    Sep 5, 2009
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Sinclair and Tancredi might get suspended for the Bronze medal match..

    It's over if thats the case.
     
  22. Chastaen

    Chastaen Member+

    Alavés
    Jul 9, 2004
    Winnipeg
    Club:
    Aston Villa FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Like I said on The Sun, FIFA does not investigate referees they only do not give them games. Making inflammatory comments about soccer never sits well with FIFA. FIFA is worse than the officiating.
     
  23. 8MaCookies

    8MaCookies Member

    Jan 3, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    I agree it's not "personal", I shoulduva used a better word to describe the sistutation.

    I disagree with you that the know of what to do comes from seeing the situation multiple times. From youth levels one learns to always look up to see the field. If one can't/doesn't look up just assume that there is player on the same line as in the middle of the box. Whehter the player with the ball is at the 6, 12 and/or 18 assume that there's someone on whatever line the ball carrier is on.

    Schmidt and Kyle both should have passed to middle of the box regardless if they looked or not. Assume other players are doing their jobs, if so someone would be there in a supporting position.
     
  24. skybolt

    skybolt Member

    Dec 16, 2011
    Club:
    Barcelona Guayaquil
    Which is a shame since a bronze medal is nothing to sneaze at, especially for a country that has had very limited soccer success in the past (both in the men's and women's game). It's not like they were assured of a gold medal against Japan anyways.
     
  25. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    Absolutely! I agree 100%, and I've done so in games I've reffed. Abbey deserved a "enough" type of warning on the first, and a card on the second, hopefully it would stop there.


    Here we disagree, getting the keepers attention and waving, especially if said keeper acknowledged with a wave, IS a warning. It's not a highly public/visible one, but it is a warning. IF this is true, then the keeper was pushing the limits and trying to nudge the line. I've said it before, I don't agree with how this was handled, but it was technically correct.

    What would I have liked to have seen: Lay on the whistle to one of Abbey's earlier times (she said she did it 5 or 6). Chew out Abbey, run down, chew out the keeper and visibly warn her. Grab the ball and indirect kick to Canada from where Abbey was (that's why I would have stopped the game, so that's where the restart goes).

    She shouldn't have to specifically tell the keeper it's a 6 second warning, she knows what shes doing.

    Yes except his times where not from when she was on the ground, but from when she was on her feet. Also, if you see the times, she NEVER went past 6 seconds on the 3 or so instances after the call, so clearly the call worked to modify her behaviour.

    I'll say it again, I think it was handled poorly and it's a shame it happened, but it was technically correct.
     
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