Seleção 2014-15: Dunga II Begins -- Post Cup, Pre Qualifiers [R]

i followed him at porto and monaco and the world cup qualifiers ..first season in porto he had some times in the bench but he came on and adapted well with the team and turned out to be one of the be these best players in portugal..we he moved to monaco he barely played in the beginning of the season due to problems with the coach but he was given the chance he played great..after falcao got injured he became the main man in monaco and helped the team finish 2nd he finished with 9 goals and 12 assists. also ask anyone who watched the qualifiers He was a beast out there for colombia and hustled in every game. it was no surprise to many south americans that he was going to shine in the world cup.

 

dude i think i posted on the vasco do gama thread asking on how he played because i didn't get to see him play or heard any news online . to be honest me, my dad, and a few colombians in this site know about him.. my dad showed me highlights of the kid and was really impressed he minds me of James Rodriguez but unfortunately he doesn't get any coverage or shine in colombia or maybe I'm wrong..well how is he doing? did he get more playing time? is he in the starting eleven?
thanks

 

You act like i'm in the brazil bubble Guigs when i'm not, up until 4 or 5 months ago I couldn't understand wtf the portugues announcers are saying. My criticism of your talent evaluation stems farther then those two players. I like out of the box thinking but you really aren't as consistent as you think. You've contradicted yourself 2 or 3 times this thread already.

 

When have I compared Felipe Bastos with Iniesta lol ? I can't even have a debate with you at this point Guigs because you are so erratic and will carry it on for days. You are right about everything being about the result but I give players props even if their teams suck so I don't know where you are going with that. Look at my state championship spots I made and everyone of them is on a bigger team now. Why is Paulinho from Ituano better than Felipe bastos? He played for Ituano then Nautico... Surely Nautico isn't better than Vasco right? Yet Paulinho has performed and Bastos hasn't.

 

If you weren't writing 5 to 7 paragraphs at a time and using Dan Lebatard as a reference point I would. Vasco plays on Tuesday, we'll have plenty of time this summer. I'll start keeping a quote thread in the NSA so i don't forget the epic suggestions of Romulo and predictions of Luan..........

 

I liked Romulo too but at the time you suggested him it was redicoulis considering he is far from a finished product. Luan.. just no

 

The big problem at this stage is that Brazil will have to start testing some new players. With the renewal, we're bound to lose a few matches and maybe even the Copa America in the process. Putting in an inexperienced coach at this stage is almost unfair. He'll be fried by the media before he really has a chance. I think CBF will probably go with a bigger name such as Tite or Muricy, which is unfortunate, because I really don't like either.

 

Either that or they will sacrifice Gallo until they hire someone more permanent like the two you mentioned.

 

Bar a miracle, Scolari is already leaving after the World Cup as that's when his current contract ends. I don't think he is one of the best Brazilian managers, he was the main reason Palmeiras were relegated to second division in 2012 and he is too much of a motivator with little tactical skills and an outdated mentality.

Scolari shouldn't take all the blame for the 1-7 fiasco and the general poor performance in the World Cup, those above him like Brazil FA president Marin are even more to blame.

But Scolari's role was still big as he got too comfortable with the Confederations Cup title and didn't bother making changes even when players were clearly underperforming. Scolari and Parreira also were too overconfident and that overconfidence contaminated the squad. Once confronted with reality (Brazil not as good as they were told), the players fell apart.

Scolari is indirectly blamed for both Thiago Silva's and Neymar's situation as he made Brazil confuse garra (something like passion) with violence. That lead Thiago Silva to get too many cards and lead the Colombians to react to Brazil's violence, harming Neymar in the way.

As for never giving caps to those players again, that would be too harsh, although many probably won't be capped again because of their age.

I think Tite (ex-Corinthians) will be the best option although far from ideal. I wouldn't like a foreign manager as they don't know how things work here, don't know the domestic game, how to handle press here and would be easily scapegoated in case of defeats.

 

I think this is 1 of the worst managerial performances of all time...

Everything from Selection to Tactics were absolutely horrible.

Picking players who 75% of them had a horrible/average season was the dumbest thing ever. The whole idea of international management should always be based on current/season form. Things change over a year, a year in football since the confederations cup is huge.

I watched Brazil play against Russia in a friendly a year back, i was seated during the whole game and i think i had just as much movement as Fred did during the game. Anybody with any knowledge could see this guy is not up to being a striker for the NT, i don't care of his goal record with Flu. I would even take overweight Walter over a player who refuses to offer anything during the game, hoping some magic from somebody else leads to a goal.

There are so many examples of players performing badly for their clubs, yet the manager not taking that into consideration. He ignored the fact Bernard was being benched behind other Brasilians, which is just totally arrogant and suggesting the Shakhtar coach must not know football.

Oscar was horrible last half season with Chelsea, people blamed fatigue which was probably the cause but Mourinho didn't trust him to be a regular starter. Why should you play for the NT if you can't be a starter for your club?

He picked his selections like he was the manager of Costa Rica (No disrespect), but in a sense that they have limited players in the top leagues so like Costa Rica he has to go with past performances for the NT.

I could go on and on about selections, but i'll just sum them up quickly. Luiz Gustavo (Not needed by Bayern, a 22 year old from Spain replaced him), Maicon (Released by Man City, yes he had a good season for Roma who were not even in CL, top level competition) Paulinho (Hardly started for a Tottenham team which got beaten regularly by 4 or 5 goals by the top teams in the PL), Hulk (Playing him as a RW, when he has never excelled in that position for Zenit), Fred (Bood by his own fans this year?) .... The list could definitely continue.

Now on to tactics, the negativity has to stop. The idea that Brasil has to play with 2 DM's just doesn't fly anymore. How can you expect top results without somebody that can control the game with his passing?

Your a recipe for disaster if you set your team up defensively yet they have been bought up on attacking instincts, you have to play to their strengths. Brasil has to play 'Jogo Bonito', not because they should entertain and lose but because they need to dominate the ball, they need to express themselves to get on top of teams. This has been missing from the NT for a long time and people need to realize it's very important for success that they change their style.

Scolari has to take the fall, the CBF is a different issue. There is enough talent around to ensure a disaster like this shouldn't occur.

 

I dont get the sensacional overeaction on D Luiz. Dude has been the Selecao's best consistent performer not named Neymar. MVP of the Confed Cup, and up until the last game, played as well as Neymar for a squad that was praised on it's defense. One resultado zebra and a large % of the fans turn their back on him. Just like they did to an 19-20 year old Neymar after the Copa America, absolutely destroying him.

Not only that, but DL always gives it his all, and he is one of the most likeable players off the field in futebol. The guy is 27 years old, he will be the starter in Russia.

 

Again though, time constraints made him select the confederation cup as his based. I can't fault him for that. After a Brazil defeat, it always the player selection that get blamed but you have to put things in perspective. Yes, the likes of Felipe Luis, Miranda, etc. should of been selected but they might have never seen a minute in this tournament. Name me one coach who would of displace Marcelo for Felipe Luis after Marcelo has been one of Brazil standout players in the last 4 years. Miranda would of been 4th choice at best.

 

I would draw a line on the 31 years old border and not even look at anything above it, except maybe Thiago Silva. Hopefully Neymar and Oscar can give us what Ronaldo and Rivaldo gave us in 2002. I think David Luiz will be a big name, especially in the leadership factor. Besides these 3, there are only about 4 or 5 that have a chance, but it will depend on how they develop from here on. I really hope we can find something better than Marcelo, Hulk, and Jô from now until then.

 

Unfortunately, I dont see Marcelo having the desire to maintain what is required physically to be a top performing for 4 more years.

 

This might be an interesting read for you guys. I cant speak Portuguese but it seems to tell the whole story.
http://www.lancenet.com.br/copa-do-mundo/Alemanha-Copa-Mundo-facanha-planejada_0_1171683011.html