Seedings blow for England

Discussion in 'England' started by MightyBees, Oct 16, 2003.

  1. MightyBees

    MightyBees New Member

    Aug 16, 2003
    London, England
    England are set to miss out on being one of the top seeds for the Euro 2004 finals in Portugal next summer.
    Uefa will not confirm the seedings until after the play-offs, but they are likely to be based on qualifying for Euro 2004 and the 2002 World Cup.

    Italy, Spain and England have identical qualification records and they would be joined by Turkey as the four second seeds - assuming Spain and Turkey win their play-offs.

    It means England and Turkey, who were paired together in the qualifying for Portugal, are likely to be kept apart at the group stage.

    Both Scotland and Wales would be among the fourth and bottom group should they win their play-offs.

    The draw takes place in Lisbon on 30 November.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/internationals/england/3197754.stm
     
  2. PurpleFoot

    PurpleFoot New Member

    Oct 9, 2003
    Leicester, UK
    Just read this article.

    Looks like another attempt to crock England going into a major tournament.

    You can bet Sepp Blatter has something to do with this.
     
  3. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001
    Sweden and the czechs as top seeds??
    lol someone must be havin' a giraffe.

    Anyway if we're in the 2nd seeds with italy ,spain and the turks it wont work out too badly.
     
  4. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Northern Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What a load of *#*#*#*#.
     
  5. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    Sweden and the Czech Rep. are both very good teams, but I'd say they're about the same as England. And Portugal are mainly 1st seeds because they're the hosts.

    I'd be extremely surprised if we're not one of top seeds for the next world cup/Euro 2008 groups after this qualification campaign. Only 1 competitive loss under Sven has to count sometime.
     
  6. Wildman262

    Wildman262 New Member

    Oct 5, 2001
    I guess UEFA must be a troll too. It seems like the governing body has some of the same opinions as I do. I was trying to tell you guys that the Czechs had a very good team as did Turkey, but I was called some nasty names. UEFA seems to see things the way I did.
     
  7. Wildman262

    Wildman262 New Member

    Oct 5, 2001
    I am very surprised that Italy and Germany are not #1 seeds. I guess UEFA is not perfect after all.
     
  8. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Actually lads to give UEFA credit they've handled the seeding system pretty fairly. It's all based on a points record from the qualifying campaigns for WC 2002 and Euro 2004. There's nothing rigged about it like FIFA's World Cup seedings or World Rankings. You could argue that tournament performance should come into it, but that would benefit the Germans and probably still squeeze us out of the top 4.

    The only reason England missed out this time is because Portugal as hosts and France as holders get an automatic seeding. Sweden and Czech Republic are above us because their qualifying records have been ridiculously good. At the moment we're the top second seed, which stands us in good stead for being a top seed for the World Cup 2006 qualifiers.

    Besides, this will cheer you up, the krauts are likely to be only a third seed if Spain and Turkey win their playoff matches :D
    http://sports.yahoo.com/sow/news?slug=afp-fbl_eur2004_ger_voller&prov=afp&type=lgns
     
  9. sinner78

    sinner78 BigSoccer Supporter

    Sheffield Wednesday
    England
    Nov 7, 2001

    Uefa has us above the germans..
    that sounds pretty accurate to me.
    2nd seed is good for us...
     
  10. basso001

    basso001 Member

    Aug 18, 2002
    Bay Area, Calif.
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    24 points from Group 1 would probably have seen France get a top seed in any case.

    b.
     
  11. MightyBees

    MightyBees New Member

    Aug 16, 2003
    London, England
    It dosent matter whether you have a good team or not- the seeds are based on a points system depending on your results. They dont seed you on your team! You may not have the best team in the world but if you grind out those results you obviously get seeded well. Its is obviously genuine- but is it the right way to seed? How can you seed depending on results from a couple of years ago when the tournment is next year?!
     
  12. bkn0528

    bkn0528 Member

    Aug 2, 2003
    nyc
    I'm not sure what the complaining is about. Frankly, if you look at the pots, the second pot (assuming that Turkey and Spain win their qualifiers) is probably stronger than the first. No one is going to want France in their group, admittedly, but I'd think Spain or Italy would be much more of a threat than Sweden or the Czechs. And do the English really want the distraction of being paired up with Turkey again? I have a suspicion that Portugal is going to disappoint a la WC 2002, so in my opinion being a second seed seems to be better for Euro 2004.
     
  13. sendorange

    sendorange Member+

    Jun 7, 2003
    Bigsoccer.com
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Are you still trying, joker? How about you get over your England obsession, no-one cares about you.

    No-one in here said that the Czech's didn't have a very good team, or that Turkey were rubbish. The point that was made is that England is a very good team, as UEFA have recognised by going with the cold hard reality of recent results rather than hyperbole and false reality.
     
  14. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Do make sure you read up on the UEFA co-efficient, won't you Wildman? You 'knowledgeable' person you.

    What a surprise - Wildman expresses an opinion that is not so much plain wrong as plain wrong and baseless in objective reality.

    Shoot yourself. Please. Even your NASL buddies want you to. Der Kaiser told me he prays daily for the moment that your tiny little brain exits the back of your cranial cavity courtesy of a .22 bullet and spatters itself over the grimy tiles of your batchelor bedsit.
     
  15. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Based on their runs in Euro2K, anything above the bottom seed for England and Germany would be a blessing. ;)
     
  16. Mobile

    Mobile New Member

    Jul 29, 2002
    Melbourne
    And how did Sweden and the Czech Republic get on in Euro 2000?

    First-round exits, same as England and Germany.
     
  17. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    I think second seed is about right for England. France should be 1st. Beyond that, a whole host of teams including England have similar records.
     
  18. Wildman262

    Wildman262 New Member

    Oct 5, 2001
    That's a wee bit harsh don't you think? It's only a football message board. Some anger management may be in order. Do you wish everyone to die that has a differing opinion than you? I already know you answer. " No, just you"
     
  19. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Well, like I said, it's not just me. Some of the finest footballers in history want you dead.

    You know ... these guys.

    You craven, idiotic liar.
     
  20. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Just by the by, can I take this opportunity to reiterate something I originally said just minutes after your utterly pathetic, embarrassing lie about having played in the NASL?

    All this time, Wildman, and nothing has changed.

    You are an embarrassment to yourself and you need to face up to that fact.
     
  21. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    And just as a final addendum, can we have your thinking on the actual substance of my post? Namely, that you again proved to be utterly devoid of knowledge about the game in terms of your blatant ignorance of the UEFA coefficient system?

    I would like to hear your thoughts on how that tallies with your continued insistence upon a right to be heard and taken seriously with regard to any football matter, under any circumstance.
     
  22. Wildman262

    Wildman262 New Member

    Oct 5, 2001
    You got me on that one. I did not give any thought to the uefa coefficient system. I was basing my opinion on the quality of the teams, and it somewhat matched up with UEFA. I am well aware that UEFA has a system for picking seeds. However, there seemed to be a few on this thread that said old Sepp must have had it in for England. That can not be possible, if UEFA abides by the coefficient.
     
  23. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC

    Riiiight ... which is why you posted this:

    Those two claims are clearly analogous, right? :rolleyes:. On the one hand, UEFA are making similarly qualitative conclusions as you are, on the other hand, you are "well aware" that any UEFA ranking has a system for picking seeds.

    Nothing you ever say adds up to anything other than "I am a complete moron. Even basic thought processes are beyond me."

    You pitiable fool.
     
  24. yeniceri

    yeniceri New Member

    Oct 16, 2003
    chestnutridge new york
    " moderator " on the attack lol lol
    things you'll only see from the ANGLISH
     
  25. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    What's an ANGLISH?
     

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