Second Division World Cup

Discussion in 'FIFA and Tournaments' started by SheffWedFan, Sep 4, 2007.

  1. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Thousand Oaks, CA
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    How about a 'Second Division' World Cup where all the teams who didn't quite manage to qualify got to take part in a little competition of their own?

    Based on the 2006 qualification process and final positions, these would have been the 32 "next best" qualifiers:

    EUROPE - Turkey, Slovakia, Norway, Romania, Denmark, Russia, Israel, Scotland, Austria, Bosnia, Bulgaria, Greece, Ireland, Belgium
    AFRICA - Senegal, DR Congo, Cameroon, Nigeria, Morocco,
    SOUTH AMERICA - Colombia, Chile, Venezuela, Peru, Uruguay
    ASIA - Uzbekistan, China, Kuwait, North Korea, Bahrain
    CONCACAF - Guatemala, Panama, Honduras

    Who would win a World Cup tournement with these teams? I'd have to put money on Cameroon, Uruguay, maybe Denmark...?
     
  2. Nurafshon

    Nurafshon Member+

    Jun 28, 2007
    Germany
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Uzbekistan
    Of course Russia would win. :)
    They would play against Uzbekistan in the final of this tournament.
     
  3. st mirren till i die

    Jul 14, 2007
    Glasgow
    Club:
    Saint Mirren FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    England actually might have a shot at winning this one :cool:
     
  4. anthony85

    anthony85 New Member

    Apr 1, 2005
    UC Berkeley
    I think this is a damn good idea. When would it take place?
     
  5. tomwilhelm

    tomwilhelm Member+

    Dec 14, 2005
    Boston, MA, USA
    Club:
    Fulham FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Does world football really need its own UEFA Cup?
     
  6. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Thousand Oaks, CA
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Why not? It would give teams who don't get a lot of internation exposure a brief moment in the spotlight... would maybe generate some income for federations who don't get a whole lot... give their players an opportunity to test themselves against countries and playing styles they don't often come up against. I think it could be fun!
     
  7. art

    art Member

    Jul 2, 2000
    Portland OR
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    no but perhaps its kind of an interesting discussion....perhaps.

    I like Denmark, Russia, or maybe Greece.
     
  8. white riot

    white riot Member+

    Apr 27, 2005
    Southampton, England
    Club:
    Southampton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    And Scotland wouldn't qualify.
     
  9. Leopejo

    Leopejo New Member

    Jul 16, 2007
    Finland
    Huh, Finland is not even eligible to Second Division.

    I don't think those European teams in that list are eager to take part in a Second Division as long as teams like Trinidad and Tobago or Iran and Saudi Arabia are in the First Division...
     
  10. st mirren till i die

    Jul 14, 2007
    Glasgow
    Club:
    Saint Mirren FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Scotland
    Of course we wouldn't, we'll be at the big tournament :p
     
  11. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    i agree with this bu too many european teams it needs to be even out
     
  12. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    actaully i thin k the Confederations should be double tiered, merge the americas and the oceania and asia so u have four large federations, and then take your best 10-20 as "division1" try to figure in cup compettitions as incentives to go to world cup, move the continenetal cups to one yr before the world cup so the continental winners would qualify by winning the tourney and the remmainder would have to still try to qualify thru regular qualifications and play offs
     
  13. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Thousand Oaks, CA
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Maybe. I was just using the same numbers they use for the actual World Cup.
     
  14. SheffWedFan

    SheffWedFan Member

    Dec 23, 2005
    Thousand Oaks, CA
    Club:
    Sheffield Wednesday FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    What about Division 3?

    EUROPE - Finland, Estonia, Slovenia, Northern Ireland, Hungary, Macedonia, Albania, Latvia, Cyprus, Belarus, Wales, Lithuania, Iceland, Georgia
    AFRICA - Congo, Burkina Faso, Libya, Gabon, Kenya
    SOUTH AMERICA - Bolivia
    OFC - Solomon Islands
    ASIA - Lebanon, Syria, United Arab Emirates, Oman, Iraq
    CONCACAF - Jamaica, St. Vincent, Canada, El Salvador
    WILDCARDS - Jordan, Algeria

    :D
     
  15. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've always been partial to going all the way to the bottom (taken from the current FIFA rankings, because it's easiest):

    EUROPE - Montenegro, San Marino, Faroe Islands, Luxembourg, Andorra, Liechtenstein, Estonia, Iceland, Malta, Kazakhstan, Latvia, Azerbaijan, Moldova, Georgia
    AFRICA - São Tomé e Príncipe, Djibouti, Somalia, Guinea-Bissau, Central African Republic
    SOUTH AMERICA - Bolivia
    OFC - American Samoa, Cook Islands, Tonga
    ASIA - Guam, Timor-Leste, Bhutan, Afghanistan, Macau
    CONCACAF - Aruba, Montserrat, US Virgin Islands, Belize

    I think I'd have to give this one to either Bolivia or Georgia.

    I loved the match some sponsor put together between Montserrat and Bhutan in '02. I was sad that it wasn't replicated in '06 between American Samoa and Turks and Caicos. I guess two tiny islands playing each other wasn't as exotic as a tiny volcano team playing a team from the midst of the Himalayas.

    All the more reason to play a tournament like that: Bhutan's win may have boosted them significantly. They're now at 190, but they were 202 in '02 prior to the match.

    But most importantly, the flamewars between Bhutan and Montserrat supporters on BigSoccer had me in stitches for weeks.
     
  16. midknight

    midknight New Member

    Sep 5, 2005
    Paris
    Lord help us...
     
  17. DCUdiplomat96

    DCUdiplomat96 Member

    Mar 19, 2005
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    then fifa really messed up. where is th balance if half the world cup field is european. i say give two berths per confederation and play off the rest of the spots like in champions league
     
  18. NHRef

    NHRef Member+

    Apr 7, 2004
    Southern NH
    I think one of the GREAT things about the world cup is that it actually is the one championship that all countries are eligible for, the resulting winner is the best national team in the world. Moving towards multiple champions at different levels wouuld just cheapen it, in my opinion.
     
  19. VioletCrown

    VioletCrown Member

    FC Dallas
    United States
    Aug 30, 2000
    Austin, Texas
    Club:
    Austin Aztex
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ah. Well. Good point.

    Nevertheless, I'd still have fun following the tournament I outlined.
     
  20. jeffconn

    jeffconn Member

    Jul 25, 2004
    Norfolk, VA, USA
    Club:
    Hampton Roads Piranhas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Coming soon to ESPN8 'the ocho', the World Consolation Cup, where the winner can rightfully claim "we're number 33!" :p
     
  21. vancity eagle

    vancity eagle Member+

    Apr 6, 2006
    interesting idea, I'd thought of this before, however a second division WC couldn't be as big as the real one. Too much organization for a secondary cup. It would have to be more similar to the confederations cup, like 8 teams or possibly 12 or 16. THis would be interesting and would still provide quality matchups with excellent sides from europe and africa missing out. I'd like Nigerias chances if this took place last year, if not I'd say Denmark.
     
  22. wufc

    wufc Member

    May 1, 2005
    UC Irvine
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't they do this in world hockey? Like have 4 different tiered tournaments. Although they probably do that for ranking purposes because of the lack of fixtures and such.
     
  23. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Then of course you have the non-league conference finals:

    Vatican City, Monaco, Guadeloupe, Kiribati, Micronesia, Nauru, Tuvalu, Guam, Papu New Guinea, etc...

    I love it!

    :D
     
  24. glennaldo_sf

    glennaldo_sf Member+

    Deportivo Wanka, Semen Padang, Dinamo Bender, Fotballaget Fart
    United States
    Nov 25, 2004
    Doha, Qatar
    Club:
    FL Fart Vang Hedmark
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You've got to fancy the African teams chances here.
     
  25. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    Yes, they do - although the two middle levels are split into two groups:
    http://www.iihf.com/hockey/tournam/tournaments.htm

    There is active promotion and relegation between the levels (two up, two down)
     

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