Sebastian Soto at Austria Klagenfurt

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  1. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    But you and Jazzy seem to recognize that the opposite is true, that (at least) some 'modern' forwards can get by on pressing/workrate.
     
  2. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    :p Soto really doesn‘t add much of anything other then scoring, so when he isn‘t he is almost useless out there.


    Modern forwards, who don’t score as much as we like, can still be a net positive to a team if they create space, press, assist, draw fouls, etc.

    Soto has shown none of this.

    I wish we had Haaland, but we don‘t. When we produce someone who can score even semi regularly then we may have something.
    Until then we play to our strengths, and forward ain‘t it.
     
  3. Jazzy Altidore

    Jazzy Altidore Member+

    Sep 2, 2009
    San Francisco
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    Los Angeles Galaxy
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    United States
    You must still be an adequate finisher to survive at a high level, but most coaches will pick an average finisher with a great work rate over a good finisher with a poor work rate these days. 5-10 years ago that did not seem to be true.
     
  4. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
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    Only 1 country has Haaland.

    The problem that we're having lately, is our top forwards are going to clubs that suck or in Hoppe's case, clubs that won't give him playing time.

    Haaland, didn't become an elite prospect til the 19/20 season, when he was a 19 yr old, playing for league champions Salzburg. The only time Haaland didn't play for a top team, he scored 0 goals.
     
  5. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Nah….Haaland was already an elite prospect before he joined Salzburg. He was able to negotiate the low buyout (which is how Dortmund ended up getting him) precisely because he was an elite prospect when he transferred from Molde.
     
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  6. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
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    Molde is a top club in Norway. He scored 2 less goals than Pepi did, in the domestic league. Pepi played for one of the worst clubs in the league.
     
  7. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    The guy who said that just likes to talk. I know him well.
     
  8. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Posting on the fly. Saw a report float by that Barnsley are a "no" on Soto. Claims he showed up with a foot injury, didn't tell them, tried to play through it, and has been sent on his way. I'll see if I can find something official a little later or tomorrow if no one beats me to it.
     
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  9. freisland

    freisland Member+

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  10. RossD

    RossD Member+

    Aug 17, 2013
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    What a disaster the last 2 years have been for him.
     
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  11. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
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    AC Milan


    Sounds like Barnsley came away rather unimpressed with Soto's professionalism
     
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  12. Higher Learning

    Jul 1, 2009
    San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  13. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
    Nat'l Team:
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    He's good enough to play in MLS.
     
  14. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    Ireland Republic
    Sure. There's plenty of USL League 1 sides that he could do a job for.

    Doubt he could manage the USL Championship.
     
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  15. belyin

    belyin Member

    Jun 1, 2006
    First I heard of him is when he scored 9 goals against Honduras at the U20 WC—he was already elite at age 18.
     
  16. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Heck, last season Bello has scored more than Hoppe, Gioacchini & Pepi combined, so let's hope scoring doesn't become a requirement for strikers again.
     
  17. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    Well Gioacchini also was played as a mid more than anything and Hoppe didn't play in fairness
     
  18. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Fairness is so old-fashioned.
     
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  19. Higher Learning

    Jul 1, 2009
    San Jose
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    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Are you sure?
     
  20. Pl@ymaker

    Pl@ymaker Member+

    Feb 8, 2010
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    Yes. Many of the forwards on MLS club rosters, are worse than Soto.
     
  21. bshredder

    bshredder BigSoccer Supporter

    Feb 23, 1999
    Club:
    Millwall FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The problem for Soto is that he hasn't set a floor yet. It's impossible to say he's good enough for a certain level. Saying he's good enough for [fill in the blank] is guesswork.

    He didn't score for Hannover's first team, he didn't score for Hannover's second team, he played well and scored on a loan to the Dutch 2nd tier but it was a short loan, he didn't score for Norwich's U-23 team, he scored once on a loan for Porto B, and he didn't score for Livingston. He also didn't score for the U.S. U-23 team in Olympic qualifying.

    He turns 22 next week.
     
  22. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    Yup. When push comes to shove Soto is an unknown.

    Sadly, it‘s unknown how far down he can go.
     
  23. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    I wa ls watching the straight red card livestream tonight and Derek brought up this with Soto.

    He isnt playing wherever he goes, he isnt staying either. At what point do you look in the mirror?
     
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  24. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
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    #1974 The Irish Rover, Jul 19, 2022
    Last edited: Jul 19, 2022
    Dear @belyin,

    Lots of us players are elite at age 18.

    Lots of us peter out into nothing special, or even nothing at all.

    Yours,

    Freddy Adu
     
  25. The Irish Rover

    The Irish Rover Member+

    Aug 1, 2010
    Dublin
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    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Ireland Republic
    And they aren't playing in MLS either.
     
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