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Discussion in 'WC 2014 Travel and Tickets' started by Scorpyn78, Feb 25, 2014.

  1. Paulo Ribeiro

    Paulo Ribeiro New Member

    Jul 10, 2014
    Club:
    Santa Cruz Recife
    Messi is already a great player and winning this cup will make him among the best in history. But lightyears away from Pelé (3 WC), Zidane, Ronaldo, Maradona and many others. I wish his best and would cheer even more if he could play for Germany :thumbsup: [Greeting from Brazil]. :whistling: Brasil, décime que se siete...
     
  2. ThiagoS

    ThiagoS New Member

    Jul 11, 2014
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    1994 final was boring. It is not because a Brazilian likes the emotion of winning that the match was exciting. The match was painful to watch. As well as Argentina x Holland in this semifinal was such a boring match that both teams should have been disqualified to present such a poor football.

    Messi trying to beat Pele and Maradona sounds funny. Messi needs to first win a couple of WC titles to reach Maradona and afterwards win more WC to reach Pelé, besides the fact that he will probably never reach 1,000 goals... it seems a stretch and unfair to him propose an objective he will never reach. He will never win 3 WC titles.... Messis comparison is with Ribery, CR7, Ibra, and such players. A different level...
     
  3. kevinucho

    kevinucho Member

    Mar 3, 2005
    L.A., CA
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    He said "both teams should have been disqualified for such poor football". Hahaha. Go watch another sport, you don't understand. Or maybe you're still hurt for the "7". Arge vs Netherlands was amazing. Decime que sienteeee..

    1,000 goals haha. It has been proven fact that that # has been super inflated. You shouldn't count his goals scored in the park down the street. Plus totally different times. Goalkeepers back then didn't even know how to catch a ball. Lol. YouTube it.
     
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  4. diobsb

    diobsb New Member

    Jun 22, 2014
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    I see your point, and it's quite interesting.

    If it weren't a final match in my country in my first world cup, in the year of my first baby's birth, I would probably give away to someone else, especially argentinians or germans. But that's not the case, it's the opposite, it's a historical match with a great value for a lot of people, not only for people from the countries going to the final.

    Many folks in the world would like to attend to such match, and even if the tickets were to be given only to germans or argentinians, unfortunately not all of them would be able to go.
     
  5. NikK2014

    NikK2014 Member

    Mar 17, 2014
    Of course, you are right, I didnt mean to say only Germans and Argentinians should attend. Im just talking about many thousands od people that will just go tomorrow and dont even know whos playing, you know what I mean. I have seen so many people at the stadium just worried about drinking and not even watching the match that hurts.

    I dont want to get in to the Maradona vs Pele thing, but I will say if you leave your Nationality aside you will agree Pele was great, but is second to Garrincha and also behind Alfredo Distefano. That is if you really watched football, 1000 goals though many were fake was also done by Romario. Is Klose better than Ronaldo cause he scored more goals? Please lets use REAL arguments.

    Pele won 3 WC cause Brazil had a great team, in 62 Garrincha won it just by himself, just cause he had alcohol problems and thats not pilitically correct, does not mean he wasnt better than Pele. Ask your parents, and they will tell you its a shame your best player in history doesnt get the recognition it deserves. But please Maradona is at a completely different level, its even laughable when you hear a Brazilian trying to compare Pele to him. Pele was really great, Garrincha and Distefano were better, but Maradona was a God out of this world, cannot be compared, with goals or cups. The sheer beauty, excellence and brilliance of his game will never be seen again. Take care all!!!
     
  6. ThiagoS

    ThiagoS New Member

    Jul 11, 2014
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    you got me wrong, I never said Pelé has 1,000 goals. Romario and Puskas have a little bit more than 1,000. Pelé has over 1,200. that is the only thing that is official :) That means that if you add Maradona + Di Stefano + Messi you star getting close. So we cannot compare Argentinean players with Pelé, you still need to catch up Romário first. When an Argentinean scores as much goals as Romario, we start talking about Puskas and Pelé :) Or when Argentina NT is all history finally wins as much WC titles as Pelé alone we star talking.

    I know you are excited and you should be. It is almost 30 years since Argentina reached a final match in a WC, but you need to look ad official facts (IFFHS).
     
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  7. paul23

    paul23 Member

    Jun 19, 2014
    Pele scored 1.200 goals in the Brazilian and USA league. I think any goal in an strong European league was worth 3 times that.

    Anyway I didn't see him play, just replays, saw maradona, on his decadence....my father says diStefano was greater than them. He won 5 European cups...

    To me zinedine Zindane and Ronaldo febomeno are the greatest players I saw.
     
  8. ThiagoS

    ThiagoS New Member

    Jul 11, 2014
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    but hey, don't get me wrong. Just a nice discussion. I think Argentina could be favorites this year if Lavezzi would be in the same form as he was at Napoli and if Pastore would be in the group.
    If I manage to get a m64 ticket tomorrow morning I will sell you at FIFA price. It is interesting that you are so passionate so you deserve to be there.
     
  9. ThiagoS

    ThiagoS New Member

    Jul 11, 2014
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    IMO Romario was waaay better than Ronaldo.
     
  10. NikK2014

    NikK2014 Member

    Mar 17, 2014
    I love Brazilian football, but if you use these facts that you know are not real then it seems you are arguing without any facts. You can count all the goals Pele scored with his freinds at the park while having a picnic, but that doesn not make him a better player than Garrincha or Distefano.

    Are you talking about who scored the most goals or who was the vest player? If you know anything about football then you know these are 2 different things. What kind of argument is he scored more goals? To whom did he he scored them? friends and family?

    With your argument Klose is the best player in WC history, do you agree? Please you can be as much fan as you want but please use intelligent arguments. Even if Argentina never reached a final in 100 years, will not change the fact that Maradona was by far, and I really mean by wayyyy far, much better than Garrincha, distefano and Pele in taht order.

    If you use arguments such as goals and cups then, its because you have really not seen them play, and your just talking Nationality.If tomorrow, an American player became the best in the world and in history, he would still be the best even if he won less cups or scored less goals.

    Brazil football was too great and beautiful to limit your argument to mil gols, mil gols, etc etc. Again, any Brazilian that seriously puts Pele over Garrincha clearly is less than 45 years old, and just repeats the FIFA Marketing that backed Pele cause of Garrinchas alcohol problems, but if you have seen them played you would wash your mouth before saying Pele is better than Garrincha.

    First, learn your own history, then we start talking about the rest of the world!
     
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  11. NikK2014

    NikK2014 Member

    Mar 17, 2014
    My Brazilian family is ALL Vasco da Gama, so I will let your comments pass, lol But I will take you up, if you get some extra tickets, and sell them to me at face value....I will record for you Pele is better than Maradona, haha
     
  12. paul23

    paul23 Member

    Jun 19, 2014
    Well that is arguably, two different players, romarios dribling and technique was amazing, but the potency of Ronaldo, speed and accuracy....if injuries had respected him....
     
  13. paul23

    paul23 Member

    Jun 19, 2014
    By the ways goals or titles apart, best national team ever was Brazil 82 and puskas Hungary. Both won nothing.
     
  14. Richard Krajicek

    Richard Krajicek New Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Unbiased and respected journals like Guardian and l'Equipe considered Pele the World Cup top footballer of all time.

    I guess brazilians and the rest of the world are wrong and argentinians are right. That's pretty similar to the Falklands Islands situation. Argentinians believe that the Islands belong to Argentina, but the rest of the world has a different opinion about it.

    http://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2014/may/29/world-cup-top-100-pele-maradona

    http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Article/Les-100-meilleurs-joueurs-de-la-coupe-du-monde/23329
     
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  15. NikK2014

    NikK2014 Member

    Mar 17, 2014
    Thats a very stupid and hurtful argument for all the ones that had family members died at that war. Dont even know, why im responding to such a malicious comment, but anyway. Have you ever heard of beauty is in the eye of the beholder?
    You do not need anyone telling you who is better, you should be able to make up your mind for yourself, unless youre one of those people that needs to be told everything.

    The beautiful thing about football and life, is exactly that you can see it for yourself and make up your mind. I will take any argument of someone that has seen them play and says Pele is better, than someone like you that tells me you read an article about it. You do not deserve any more of my words or time!
     
  16. paul23

    paul23 Member

    Jun 19, 2014

    The rest of the world does not care about that islands, and this is not the place for that discussion.
     
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  17. Richard Krajicek

    Richard Krajicek New Member

    Jun 23, 2014
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    "It is laughable when you hear a Brazilian trying to compare Pele to him".

    Say that to Guardian and l'Equipe.

    Sorry if I offended you about the Falklands Islands. I had no intention. I wasn't talking about the war, but about the fact that the people
    of the Falkland Islands have voted overwhelmingly in favour of remaining a UK overseas territory.
    Of 1,517 votes cast in the two-day referendum - on a turnout of more than 90% - 1,513 were in favour, while just three votes were against.

    Good luck tomorrow.
     
  18. diobsb

    diobsb New Member

    Jun 22, 2014
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    That's a thought that I carry for my everyday life.

    Anyways, I don't like to argue the past. It's hard to find anyone that can be reasonable talking about soccer, even more when it is Argentinians talking about Maradona or Brazilians talking about Pelé.

    I like facts, I'll list some:

    - People 40 y.o. or less say that Maradona is the best player they ever saw playing (even considering Zico, that some argue that would be a better player than Maradona at that time).
    - Pelé himself says that before Maradona there was DiStefano, as Nikk said, and even Mario Kempes.
    - Pelé himself also says that his idol was Zizinho.
    - Not only Garrincha, but the 60-70's brazilian squad generation, with Rivelino and Tostão included, are one of the best players ever.

    It's not that 1000 gols should be the only argument for a player greatness or not, but what specialists say (and I'm using their argument, since I have never made a history research on this theme) is that Pelé was a "complete" player, very elusive and effective, the best players from that period say that.

    But honestly? Such discussion is pointless. People spend too much energy on it. Both players have done a lot for football, each one has done a lot for each country, and when it comes to facts, this feeling that Maradona is God will be gone in some years, and in books or any other kind of historical document, people will see what's written and the worldwide recognition and individual accomplishments of each player, and then again, odds are that Pelé will prevail as the best. In the end, in few years both will die and the planet will keep spinning.
     
  19. ThiagoS

    ThiagoS New Member

    Jul 11, 2014
    Club:
    Vasco da Gama Rio Janeiro
    you can add Holland 74
     
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  20. kevinucho

    kevinucho Member

    Mar 3, 2005
    L.A., CA
    Club:
    CA River Plate
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Last comment for me. Just an interesting thought..

    Brazil has 200 million habitants & won 5 world cups.

    Argentina has 40 million & won 2.

    If Argentina had 200 million people, would they have won 10 cups??? Hmmmm.. Maybe so! :D
     
  21. bungadiri

    bungadiri Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Jan 25, 2002
    Acnestia
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Looks like it's time for this thread to close.

    @Scorpyn78 let me know if you disagree.
     
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  22. Scorpyn78

    Scorpyn78 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Argentina
    May 27, 2009
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
  23. Stuckin1au

    Stuckin1au Member+

    Dec 22, 2013
    Adelaide, South Australia
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Australia
  24. Forzabarca

    Forzabarca Guest

    Btw.. anyone cares giving a update with the donations!? what happened!? who got it!? who it helped!? etc!?
     
  25. Scorpyn78

    Scorpyn78 Member+

    Real Madrid
    Argentina
    May 27, 2009
    Saudi Arabia
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Not exactly sure how JustGiving works but as far as I understand the donations are provided to the associated trust in real-time. I could be wrong. Maybe @jupal could give us an update.

    https://www.justgiving.com/abctrust
     

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