Save Frankie!

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad' started by dcufan1984, Jan 9, 2003.

  1. dcufan1984

    dcufan1984 Member

    Feb 17, 2002
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    there have been rumors that hejduk is coming back to mls for some time, especially by some crew fans, and today chris bergin mentioned that he heard frankie went awol from st. gallen over the holiday... meaning he hasn't come back from his alotted vacation on time. this could simply be rumor or a case of frankie being lazy and unprofessional, but it is interesting nonetheless. so does anyone have any information on this?
     
  2. lplaksina

    lplaksina Member

    Jan 5, 2002
    frankie has been loaned to mls and will be assigned to the crew. i can't for the life of me understand why mls doesn't keep it's fans up to date on its business
     
  3. mattgabe

    mattgabe Member

    Sep 20, 2000
    Blacksburg, VA
    Source?
     
  4. olafgb

    olafgb New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Germany
    This would violate international transfer regulations. He went from Germany to Switzerland in summer and can't leave Switzerland before summer 2003 now.

    Besides that, it's already belonging to the business that many players return late from their vacation. Not all clubs are unhappy about collecting money by major fines...
     
  5. isaac101

    isaac101 New Member

    Mar 1, 2001
    Bethesda, MD
    Would it? I know it would be a violation if he was sold/transfered, but would it still be true for a loan? (I'm not sure, that's why I'm asking.)
     
  6. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    This just in:

    Frankie is not good enough to play in MLS anymore. He is well below league standards now.
     
  7. Scoey

    Scoey Member

    Oct 1, 1999
    Portland
    I think somebody didn't watch the World Cup.
     
  8. Dave Marino-Nachison

    Jun 9, 1999
    No, dawgpound2 is right. There's no way he'd be an improvement on the likes of Eric Denton.
     
  9. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    Actually, I wonder if you did. Frankie DID NOT pl;ay well in the Cup. Was he Agoos? No. But, he wasn't O'Brien, or Donovan, or even Sanneh either.
     
  10. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    Don't disrespect Denton like that. Frankie has no touch, CANNOT pass to save his life, and is technically LOST. He is one of the most overrated players of all time.

    MLS has passed him by. Nothing wrong with that.
     
  11. olafgb

    olafgb New Member

    Jun 6, 2001
    Germany
    Loan is nothing but a transfer over a certain period of time, so, yes, it is still true for a loan.


    Frankie played a good WC, that's for sure, Sanneh wasn't much better. Problem is just that a WC is a very short tournament that doesn't necessarily reflect on the true strength of a player. Half a year ago I wouldn't have had any problems talking Frankie to MLS or some lower table Bundesliga team. But now that he didn't make it at a really bad Nationalliga A team, I'm not even sure if he'll get an offer of a 2.Bundesliga after the season. MLS might make some marketing with him - at least he is a well known player, who took part in some WCs - but even if his standard is above MLS average, he'd just occupy a spot for a younger talent IMO
     
  12. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Agreed. It simply amazes me that the guy has picked up a pay check across the pond for the last few years.
     
  13. Martin Fischer

    Martin Fischer Member+

    Feb 23, 1999
    Kampala. Uganda
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Let's see -- whose opinion is worth more? The world famous dawgpound2 and the equally renowned diablodelsol or that unaccomplished Bruce Arena. Tick tock, tick tock......

    OK, before you all get started, I am not saying that Arena is always right. I don't think he is.

    But when Arena thinks that a certain player, for example, Frankie Hejduk, is better than all of the guys who play his position in MLS and then a couple of hotheads post, without any real argument, that he can't even play at the MLS level, it strains credibility -- TO SAY THE LEAST!
     
  14. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    What argument is needed? It's all people's OPINION! My gosh, when did BigSoccer need to be documented like a scientific journal? Lighten up. Frankie isn't any good. I don't want to watch him in MLS.
     
  15. Bill Archer

    Bill Archer BigSoccer Supporter

    Mar 19, 2002
    Washington, NC
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    With all due respect, this would seem to be a rather definitive argument.

    Of course, people still can't figure out why Arena took that clumsy, injury prone, slow loser McBride over the likes of Ante Razov.

    Tell you what guys - think what you like, but if Bruce Arena has his choice of any American born player at left back and selects Hejduk, I'm thinking he's probably worth giving a shot.

    And while you're at it, could we have that "clumsy oaf" Tony Sanneh too?

    (And not to put too fine a point on it, but...Eric Denton?)
     
  16. PumaJohnny

    PumaJohnny Member

    Nov 30, 2001
    Draper
    Club:
    Real Salt Lake
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He wasn't Donovan, who is the MLS posterchild, and he wasn't Sanneh, who has the option to play in the EPL. However, how many other MLS defenders were on the squad. MLS definitely has room for him.
     
  17. Brownswan

    Brownswan New Member

    Jun 30, 1999
    Port St. Lucie, FL
    Neither was Zidane; neither was Figo; neither were a bunch of lads from England...

    He doesn't have to be a star to play in our show.
     
  18. Merengue

    Merengue New Member

    Nov 4, 1999
    San Diego
    It's foolish comments like this which make reading Bigsoccer entertaining. Let's see Hejduk is good enough to start in the World Cup but not good enough for MLS! ROFL
     
  19. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Bill,

    Thanks for the respect...but come on.

    Frankie was a role player and the devil he knew. What were his options? Every other player he had tried at left back going into the WC had completely imploded. Sure, Franky started. Big f'n deal. There was no time to evaluate any other talent, something that Bruce's critics were saying well before the WC, and still holds true.

    Sure, we had an outstanding WC. That doesn't mean Bruce's roster selection was perfect by any means. Mastroeni was almost left off the roster (I believe I remember a quote where Bruce said as much. Sorry, can't reference). Had he been, would that make him any less of a player in your eyes?
     
  20. Sinko

    Sinko New Member

    Dec 28, 1999
    xalapa ver mx
    Club:
    Harrisburg City Isl.
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Kinda makes one feel good about themselves, don't it!

    The player who I liken Frankie to in MLS is Milton Reyes... similar styles, similar talent.

    Frankie not good enough for MLS? OMG what nonsense.
     
  21. diablodelsol

    diablodelsol Member+

    Jan 10, 2001
    New Jersey
    Similar styles...yep

    Similar talent - not in my opinion. I'll happily retract next fall if I'm proven wrong.


    Bill

    One more point about Bruce's picks.

    Since you'll happily give anyone Bruce relied on a shot, I assume you're salivating at getting a shot at Albright. Afterall, he was used in our first away qualifier of the hex. Pretty fcking important game too. What about Williams? Bruce thought pretty highly of him too.
     
  22. csc7

    csc7 New Member

    Jul 3, 2002
    DC
    the point is, if Frankie is good enough to be considered for the national team it means he is one of the best US players in his position.

    you guys are arguing that, in less than a year, Frankie went from being one of the best 20-40 US players to not even being worthy of playing in the league. that's nuts.

    if you want to say he wouldn't be the best player in the league in his position, that's one thing. to say the league is beyond him, that's redicilous.
     
  23. mjtate

    mjtate Member

    Feb 3, 2000
    Westerville, OH
    Back to the topic, does anyone else have info relating to Frankie's ability to move to MLS, or if it has in fact been completed? I'd love to see Hejuk back in MLS.
     
  24. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The only reason you guys are bashing Frankie is because he's had a horrid season playing for a sorry ass team. I bet that if he was still w/Leverkusen this post would be completely different and most would be saying "oh, frankie's a Nat but it's just unfortunate he's at a club that he can't crack the starting 11." Frankie may not be the most fundamentally sound player but he works his ass off for 90 minutes and does whatever he's asked to help his team whether it be at left back or on the wing. He could play for me anyday. The bottom line he's at an age that he can't rot away playing in some small Euro league. He needs to come home.
     
  25. dawgpound2

    dawgpound2 Member

    Mar 3, 2001
    Los Angeles, CA
    Hello? That's a good start.
     

Share This Page