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Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by Stuart95, Oct 19, 2024.

  1. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New England bought out his contract to get him off of their books. Jozy is still under contract to MLS though, and the league still has to pay him. IIOW, New England transferred his salary/contract to the League Office.
     
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  2. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Crazy that the league allowed NER to sign that deal. Kraft should eat it.
     
  3. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Paying Jozy Altidore that much money since he has been retired for over a year is simply ridiculous and just shows how backwards MLS rules still are.
     
  4. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I’ve heard of way more stupider things done in other leagues.
     
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  5. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Yeah, maybe but I don't know them and mostly care about and follow MLS.

    I'm sure Kraft or whomever can afford it and Jozy is loving to milk as much money as he can.

    Probably another reason why he isn't looking for new club.
     
  6. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Except Suarez is not "most forwards".

    "Giving him a pass" and "giving him a new contract because he earned it" are two different things.
     
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  7. jaykoz3

    jaykoz3 Member+

    Dec 25, 2010
    Conshohocken, PA
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    New England traded for him, they inherited his contract from Toronto FC.
     
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  8. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    If you can play and produce you're not too old. Yes, MLS isn't comparable to the top leagues of Europe so some players who age out there can find a place in MLS (just as they could find a place in many other leagues in Europe if those leagues had the money to afford them). So what, the goal is to win. If a 40 year old could help my local USL club win the league you better believe I want them signed.
     
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  9. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #34 falvo, Oct 21, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2024
    For MLS , I would tend to agree with you and he and Miami are still levels above everyone else.

    Not too many teams in most leagues, however, give new contracts to a player that age regardless of how many goals he scores or has scored.

    At least I have rarely seen many.

    It's like that in most sports except maybe baseball which I don't really follow.

    SF Giants Barry Bonds was 43 in his last at bat but was on steroids so I think that helped him advance his career.

    Using American football as an example and leaving Tom Brady out of the equation, coach Bill Walsh once said, he spoke to many players who want to play on.

    He said many time they certainly have the experience and are in great shape.

    The problem is not in their skill level but when a player reaches an advanced age, many times insurance companies won't let clubs sign them when they are that old.


    Through the years, I’ve seen players in their mid-30’s drop down to a second, third or even fourth division to help out those clubs and make some money.

    I've still rarely seen many attacking players ages 38-40 except for maybe Didier Drogba who played for the USL's Phoenix Fire at age 39-40.

    I think he played one and 1/2 years and then retired.
     
  10. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    I thought Toronto had him through 2022 +1 (which seems like it was a player option for 2023?).

    If prosoccerwire is to be trusted, he joined NER as a free agent (obviously after negotiations as TFC were still covering some 2023 salary) after 2022 season, and NER extended his contract at that time through 2024.
     
  11. An Unpaved Road

    An Unpaved Road Member+

    Mar 22, 2006
    Club:
    --other--
    You should email this to Inter Miami, I'm sure they will immediately cancel the contracts of Messi and Suarez and sign two random 28 year olds instead.
     
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  12. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #37 falvo, Oct 21, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2024
    I’m pretty sure most teams would want to sign top 28-year-olds.

    I think most fans and teams would want that.
     
  13. Egbert Sousé

    Egbert Sousé Member

    NYCFC
    May 25, 2013
    nyc
    Club:
    New York City FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Apples to oranges of course, but Bobby Bonilla says hello!
     
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  14. RafaLarios

    RafaLarios Member+

    Oct 2, 2009
    Medellín
    Club:
    Atletico Nacional
    Nat'l Team:
    Colombia

    Every day I pray for a contract like Bobby Bonilla's. (Adjusting for my line of work of course).

    The guy have not played since 2001. And he is still getting paid.
     
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  15. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, Toronto bought out his DP contract. NE then signed him to a TAM deal and gave him another year, so TOR was still responsible for the remainder of the DP deal (minus what NE was paying him those years).
     
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  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    Man, you really love to default to the narrative, don’t you?

    Juventus is paying Pogba. It’s the nature of a guaranteed contract. Duh!
     
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  17. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Thank you! That’s what I was trying to say.
     
  18. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    So Toronto would be on the hook for 2023 only, not also 2024, right? If NER bumped the co tract a year, then Toronto should t be on the hook for that?

    And thank you all for your patience with me.
     
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  19. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #44 falvo, Oct 21, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2024
    First, for what reason or purpose are you attacking me and arguing instead of having a civil dialogue?

    Secondly, Juventus most certainly are not paying Pogba's a guaranteed!

    I just heard on Italian sports radio today they are terminating him for cause.
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Because my least favorite flavor of MLS bashing is people criticizing MLS for things everyone does, like guaranteed contracts. The thing is, you know better. So why are you acting like a guaranteed contract is some dumb thing only MLS does?
     
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  21. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #46 falvo, Oct 21, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2024
    I can care less about Jozy or what Kraft is paying him and if he is on a guaranteed contract or not,

    It actually means nothing to me.

    As a fan of the game and the league who wants to see MLS clubs and owners succeed, when I see how teams must abide by a strict league wide $6 million yearly salary cap figure however, it can definitely impact the way team does business.

    I didn't make up the crazy mixed-up MLS roster rules but doing the math, if teams are paying their entire rosters $6 million and having to pay one, dead weight player $1.5 mil or 1/6th of an entire roster's salaries (less the DP's), from where I am sitting, that is a detriment to the club.

    I mean I'm happy for Jozy Altidore that he is allowed to make that amount and more power to him if he can milk it but I don't see how it helps his former owner or team, for that matter.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok, but that last paragraph is a far cry from “MLS rules are backwards.”
     
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  23. falvo

    falvo Member+

    Mar 27, 2005
    San Jose & Florence
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    #48 falvo, Oct 21, 2024
    Last edited: Oct 21, 2024
    Sure and I didn't make them up but you must admit that the roster rules that are in place in MLS are crazy and mixed-up.

    I don’t know anyone who understands them and doesn't believe this.

    Matias Almeyda in San Jose told me personally he never understood the leagues roster rules or salary caps and that they were counterproductive to building competitive teams.

    He said you need a master’s degree in accounting to even try and figure them out.

    This isn't coming from me, that was from a top, big named international coach.
     
  24. NFLPatriot

    NFLPatriot Member+

    Jun 25, 2002
    Foxboro, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Correct.
     
  25. rslfanboy

    rslfanboy Member+

    Jul 24, 2007
    Section 26
    Thank you.

    OK. So NER takes over a nostalgia-DP in 2023, who really hasn't produced since 2017 (although 2019 did look promising), and extends his contract a year for.... reasons? And the league has to eat $1.5milion this year because of it, even after the buyout? It just seems odd. Unless the league was instrumental in facilitating the contract and move to reunite him with The Bruce™? Was there a sponsorship/media deal in place?
     

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