Sargent all games PBP thread

Discussion in 'Yanks Abroad - Gameday' started by bungadiri, Dec 6, 2020.

  1. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    He was in absolute miles of space. He’s the team’s No. 9. He needs to score it. “Really poor” is a correct description.
     
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  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I just want to take a moment to comment on how weird soccer cliches are, at least to someone like me who absorbed a couple decades of commentary on Our Sports before soccer got big here.

    Like, in our sports, “needs to score” would mean the team needed it, but in soccer, it means “should have scored.” Further, the XGs for your typical shot that a striker “needs to score” is usually like .3.
     
  3. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Really poor is a tap in or hitting the keeper in legs - if you think that Meslier made a good save which the announcers did, your description can't be correct. And Sargent did well to get past the defender in the first instance. Could have, should have done better but that wasn't a tap in.
     
  4. eliwood

    eliwood Member+

    Jul 25, 2016
    Sargent subbed off
     
  5. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    I hope The Saints can stop them.

    Truth be told, I never expected Nor'ich to win this one.
     
  6. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look on the bright side: there's a much greater chance he's in a superior situation next season because he didn't get promoted w/ Norwich where he'd get little service & relapse on doubt.

    Now he likely gets sold; hopefully to a club who creates a different dynamic.
     
  7. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    Did well to get past the defender? It was a ball over the top the defender lunged for and missed leaving Sargent in acres of space. Give me a break.

    Anyway quibbling over the definition and application of words like bad/poor/really poor/shambolic/dreadful isn't a very productive activity.
     
  8. eliwood

    eliwood Member+

    Jul 25, 2016
    I would think Norwich would feel confident in their promotion odds next year with a full year of Sargent.

    You think he would get transferred to a PL side?
     
  9. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i absolutely think he should have done better once he was clear, but while the defender sold out for the ball sarges touch dragged it along.

    everything doesnt have to be so extreme.
     
  10. kruck

    kruck Member+

    Jan 12, 2008
    Houston, TX
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    He did nothing to "get past the defender" though... the defender went to ground and missed the ball allowing Sarge through on goal with acres of space.
     
  11. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    if he does it will likely be a promoted team or relegation candidate, which honestly does nothing for his development.

    he can go to a tottenham as a second choice/rotation player or stick with norwich (if they remain intact)- his entire career has been in that nether-region of different teams, players, certainly managers every single season.
     
  12. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I said hopefully he doesn't end up in a similar situation as Norwich a couple seasons ago, whether that be at the same club or a different one in the EPL.

    I think he gets transferred since he's had back-to-back seasons of success there. He's grown beyond them. Would likely agitate to leave & they can get a good sum for him to build their squad.

    The ideal landing spot for him would probably be one of the clubs in France that are in the UCL or typically vie for those places, provided they have a near future need at the position.
     
  13. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
    Staff Member

    Dec 15, 1999
    Club:
    Leicester City FC
    Watch it again - The ball didn't pop out after the defender slid in - he got a foot in and brought the ball into his control. And Meslier closed him down really quickly - how did you want him to finish it there? Not saying he couldn't have done better and whatever words you use, I'm disagreeing with the general characterization of a failure when he was composed and attempted a chip that forced a save. As superdave said - what was the xg there?

    I hadn't seen the play so when I rewound and watched it I was expecting something worse - like a tame shot right at the goalie.
     
  14. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    This. I think he could try a good club in the Eredivisie, but at this point he's likely above their pay grade. From the Championship, with four years of contract left, he'd have to go to a Top 5 league. So it's basically that: relegation fodder in Top 5.

    According to Capology he's on about $1.65m/year USD. He's valued $13m.

    Mönchengladbach hits the sweet spot (I'm using it as example, not that I think he's going there): a bottom-half-of-the-table club in a Top 5 that had a bad season but it's expected to recover, with an aging forward in Alassane Plea (7G/4A), and an under-performing Pefok (5/3).

    Their average salary is reported at around $1.75m/year, and they could afford the transfer rate so far Norwich doesn't go crazy.

    The basic problem is that, for all his success this season in the Championship, I don't think Sarge is up to Top 5 level.
     
  15. eliwood

    eliwood Member+

    Jul 25, 2016
    I think getting out of the Championship and England in general would be ideal for his health. He keeps picking up nagging injuries.
     
  16. TimB4Last

    TimB4Last Member+

    May 5, 2006
    Dystopia
    Sargent starts and earns a yellow card, currently Oxford Utd 2-0 Norwich City at 60'.
     
  17. m vann

    m vann Moderator
    Staff Member

    Colorado Rapids, Celtic FC, & Louisville City
    Sep 10, 2002
    Denver, CO
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    #2042 m vann, Aug 10, 2024
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    Yikes. Ended up losing 2-0 to Oxford. very early goings but those are the type of clubs you need to beat if you’re a serious promotion contender.
     
  18. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Watching the match vs. Blackburn. Please note I’m a Rovers fan.

    Sargeant wins the ball pressing, has a low grade chance, just misses wide right.
     
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  19. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Header off a corner hits the underside of the crossbar, comes almost straight down, but not a goal.
     
  20. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Rovers on the counter 1-0 against the run of play
     
  21. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I started the match late and am catching up. At 30:00, Rovers seem very comfortable. Still 1-0. Sarge hasn’t been involved much.
     
  22. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Great run by Sarge, fine pass, poor angle shot, right at the keeper, penalty shout for a shirt pull. Based on how English refs are, good no call. Might have been a PK with Central American refs.

    Sarge seems to be really the point of the spear; he isn’t dropping deep to facilitate.
     
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  23. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Almost a WPIOOTBGW. Norwich steals the ball, feeds Sarge, poor finish. Went for power.

    He’s had I think 4 chances. IMO, collectively an XG of between .5 and say .8. He needs to score the next chance of that quality.
     
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  24. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    On the replay, I take it back. That last one by itself was probably an XG of .5. If he had chipped it, and kept it on frame, a sure goal.
     
  25. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Halftime.

    here’s how I would sum up Sarge’s half. He did a lot of good things. If he had a goal, he’d be the clubhouse leader for MOTM. But he doesn’t.

    Rovers look pretty good…just in control of things. If they could play through the press better, I’d feel great about their chances. First 10-15, Norwich was the better side. Since then it’s been Rovers, albeit punctuated by giveaways leading to chances for Sarge.

    One last thing…it seems like Norwich isn’t getting players around Sarge, he doesn’t have passing options too often. Like they’re playing a “pure” 4-5-1 rather than a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1.
     
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