San Jose Earthquakes - Inter Miami CF (Wednesday, 5/14) pre/in/postgame thread [R]

You’re conflating a lot of different complaints by different people who have different perspectives.

By the way, the separate thread about Messi was started by a pedophile who is no longer here.

I, personally, am not a fan of the Messi circus (for the same reasons I scoff at Gareth Bale), but I never contemplated selling my two midfield seats and always planned on attending — to see my Quakes. As I said recently, I was indifferent whether Messi played or not.

That said, I have nothing against Messi personally. Great player (arguably best ever), and seemingly a decent dude, but I had already seen him live in his prime — 16 years ago.

Homage from Cataluyna in the garage man cave.

 

Bruce confirmed in the postgame that that’s what he was doing there. He said Messi was speaking the “universal language” of how you speak to a ref that you’re unhappy with. My question is - isn’t it Miami’s coach (or players) who should be there making sure Messi doesn’t get a red?? Then it hit me - Miami fans are very unhappy with Masch - they blame him for the team’s recent poor form. He’s feeling some heat. Bruce is angling for the job! And who can blame him. He either gets to coach Messi or Preston Judd.

 

Falvo you went off about always being a fan of the Quakes.... I never mentioned anything about rooting for messi. My point was/is that the moaning gets old. I get it, we humans complain about everything but how many times a lot of us have been wanting the league to get better players so the level keeps getting better? Now the best player in the world is playing in modest PPP (which in turn was Full!) and there are a group of fans still finding ways to bitch & moan about it.
Maybe more than a few here need to get out of their bubbled lives and go smell the grass or something. Its becoming stale and boring.

 

It was indeed loud and I couldn’t really understand how or why it started at that point of the game. Were the fans urging him on to score a late winner? Was a last chance to cheer him as the game was winding down?

 

It is part of the soccer and/or sporting culture.

You jeer the other team and just don't root for the opposing player anywhere.

If you root for an opposing team or player, that is considered taboo all over the world.

If you are from Argentina and you have a player who played for River then switched to Boca and what do you think fans would do or say?

For that matter Figo going from Barcelona to Real and their local fans didn't jeer him?

Even if a player doesn't switch teams, fans don't care about opposing clubs regardless who is playing for them.

Of course we want them to lose and get his legs broke.

I think most serious fans of the game and a hometown team think and feel the same way.

That has been going on for as long as I remember with the exception of MLS.

I've never seen anything like it anywhere in the world and here , we are supposed to root for the other team because of one player?

Same with how Jorge Campos came to San Jose in 1996-97 and Mexcian fans rooted for the Gals and not the Quakes just because he was a Mexican player.

Give me a break!

I'm Italian and I saw Zenga , Galderisi , Donadoni Nesta and Pirlo and I wanted the Quakes to stick it to them big time.

I could care less who they were.

Actually, when Shea Salinas left Pirlo on the ground, I was loving it.

That is how it should be.

Buy me some peanuts and Cracker Jack, I don’t care if I never get back.

Let me root, root, root for the home team, If they don’t win, it’s a shame.

But never root for the other team!

As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be: world without end!

Viva San Jose!

Go Quakes!

 

I don't think it was Quakes fans rooting for Miami/Messi, it was all the people who bought tickets from Quakes fans or on the resale market that came to cheer for Messi and Miami, and there happened to be a lot of those people at the game, but the Quakes fans i believe cheered for the Quakes to win the game.

 

Sure but they probably live here and should be rooting for the QUAKES!

If they don't, hometown fans should boo and jeer them.

That is what happens everywhere on earth and should be the norm here as well.

It has been going on since the game was invented.

This is Our team and as crappy as they are or have been, we should all be proud of them!

Can you believe we just held mighty Messi lead Miami team to a 3-3 draw?

This is a great result!

Viva San Jose!

Go Quakes!

 

The boos that followed were louder and mentioned by Twellman as it happened.

 

Not according to the volume on my TV.

 

Yeah, I was there. The "Messi" chant dominated any booing. I didn't really even notice the booing, at least from where I was sitting.

As for why it happened at that point in the game, I guess it's because the game was coming to a close and this is the only time most people will ever see Messi play live, and he's coming to the end of his career. So I guess it was a kind of tribute. I didn't have a problem with it. I was mostly nervously looking at the clock to see if we were gonna be able to hold onto the tie.

 

It was shocking from here. But we know all those (typically) empty seats weren't filled up by Quakes fans, necessarily. But still, that was a bit disappointing.

Overall though, the Quakes played really well and fought hard. Muni was good, we were far more creative and relentless pushing forward, it was a respectable effort and a well-deserved outcome.

 

The Miami goals and what went wrong:

- On the first one, there were 3 Miami players in the box, 4 Quakes defenders. Munie had gone out to the top of the box to man mark someone (Allende?). Beau and Costa were closet to Falcon. The ball was a bit too far away for Daniel to punch I think. As the ball came in Beau didn't follow Falcon's movement towards goal and Costa, who had inside position seemed to misjudge the ball (it was pretty windy especially at the start of the game and that may have been a factor). Free header to Falcon - goal. I guess Costa and Beau are most at fault for this one.

- On the 2nd one, classic Messi pass out into space for Alba to run on to. They've probably done this 100's of times. As Alba gets set to cross, Allende makes a bee line for goal from midfield. Munie is tracking him and might have been able to stay with him but he looked back at the ball and his run slowed just enough for Allende to get ahead of him. Daniel could have made a play for the ball - it was pretty close to him, but there would have been a spectacular collision. I guess Munie most at fault, though it was just really good execution by Miami.

- On the 3rd one, we lose the ball in midfield, Harkes tries to foul / tackle Segovia in midfield and fails, ref plays advantage, we're in some trouble. Messi is driving the ball towards goal. Miami has numbers - something like 5 on 4. Messi veers right and draws defenders and then passes to Weigandt(?) on the right. Allende is floating right in the middle of the box, Rodrigues closest to him, but Rodrigues ball watches and Allende gets behind him and scores. Most at fault: Rodrigues.

 

Messi may not have been the most exciting player, but his class was obvious--especially his choice, timing, and execution of some passes. He also performed a sombrero (over Costas?) in front of me. Don't see many of those in MLS. On the other hand, it was great to see Leroux take the ball off Messi with a perfectly timed tackle. I thought "last year Leroux was playing for SJ State, and now he's taking the ball off Messi in the open field." Leroux's goal was also excellent.

I didn't mind the "Messi" chants so much. If some of those fans enjoyed the game enough to return, that's a win for us.

 

He was generally useless and lost the ball a few times. He did play a nice pass across the top of the box to set up the 3rd Quakes goal. But it was like playing with 10 and 1/2 men for the most part. I was really hoping Bruce would sub him out and not care about "subbing a sub".

 

Messi and Alba were really good as always, and Allende is also a very good player. But Beau was right up there. Who knew? He's only 21 and has a great career ahead of him. Bruce said in the postgame that he gets better every game. With the way he hits shots from distance, he could score 5-10 goals a year, as a #8 in central midfield.

Imagine though if it was still the Luchi-Leitch regime. Beau would probably be playing for The Town this year. They probably wouldn't have "seen" him. Bruce said he came into camp this year w/o a contract. That's one good thing about Bruce. He doesn't let preconceived notions get in the way of his player evaluations, except for tending to favor the guys he knows (FoB). But I think of the Quakes guys, he is coming in with fresh eyes.

 

How many fans with Beckham jersey (LAG, ManU, Real Madrid, England) or Chicharito jersey (mostly Mexico) came back to SJ games?

They came for one player, not even the team their favorite player play for.

Good that more people are watching the games. People can have their choices and preferences. It’s just not mine. I always follow my team, not the player.

 

Arena saves furious Messi from post-game red card




Tom Bogert on X: "Lionel Messi had an extended, heated discussion with referees last night. Seemed on the verge of being sent off... until San Jose manager Bruce Arena stepped in to diffuse and walked Messi away. Arena: "I really wanted to make sure he wasn't going to get a red card."

 

I really like Leroux and see him growing every game. Imagine we had our old CMs yesterday. They would be escorting Messi to the box or giving up free kicks opportunities.

 

Jejeje you keep going on about not cheering for opposing players (obviously) when no one said otherwise. At least I haven't read it anywhere on these boards.
We all know fútbol/soccer popularity is nowhere near the high levels we see in other countries. Many fans last night paid (outrageous $$$) just to see Messi and unfortunately probably won't ever set foot in PPP again, hope I'm wrong though. MLS and the sport in general is still somewhat of a niche market in the overall sporting landscape of the States. Therefore you will see things that would never occur in any other serious fútbol country. Sports in the USA are a different beast than anywhere else. I mean, in basketball, NFL etc you have loud speakers telling fans to shout "DEFENSE" or whatever else many times, it all feels very corporate. I've never seen that anywhere else. Fútbol especially is very organic everywhere but MLS like the other leagues (NFL, NBA, NHL etc) are very corporate in how things are done. So it shouldn't be a surprise that last night many fans were chanting for Messi instead of supporting their local team.

There haven't been many but just to name a few players that played for Boca & riBer:

Claudio Cannigia played 2 WC & numerous Italian teams.
Oscar Ruggeri won the WC w Maradona in '96
Gabriel Batistuta probably my all time favorite player

And they were all cheered while playing for their respective teams.

 

Dumb Gruezo fouls at the top of the box galore.

 

Poor Espinoza. He had his big moment with Messi at the end of the game and Messi almost immediately turned away from him and went back after the ref.

 

My television says different.

 

I was there and did not notice the boos. I am a Messi fan but As long as quakes scored one more goal than Miami , i would've been happy

 

Did you hear the Ultras loudly chant, "We don't give a f#ck about Messi!" during the first half? It was clear as day at my midfield seats (a reprise of their Beckham chant circa 2008 in Oakland), but Apple TV probably muted it, not only for the profanity but because it counters the league's preferred narrative.